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Bragi

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120. Good post! Well stated!

Wed Apr 24, 2013, 02:28 PM

Apr 2013

I think you are correct: Americans have decided to trade their civil rights for the promise of security.

To paraphrase Ben Franklin, they are likely to end up with neither.

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So much for "Voluntary" lock-down and searches in Boston. [View all] Savannahmann Apr 2013 OP

Sorry, elleng Apr 2013 #1

Watch the video. Does that look Voluntary to you? Savannahmann Apr 2013 #4

This video has been posted here again and again thucythucy Apr 2013 #81

I wonder if any of the police drove over the posted speed limits while they were searching? Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #2

They likely jay walked also! whistler162 Apr 2013 #126

Darned cops! Who do they think they are, breaking the laws they demand the rest of us follow! Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #127

What utter nonsense ... Trajan Apr 2013 #3

Then help me understand. Savannahmann Apr 2013 #7

Yes... Junkpet Apr 2013 #14

Yes they ask. Savannahmann Apr 2013 #16

You have plenty of options. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #18

Well said Junkpet Apr 2013 #21

Good one! Bragi Apr 2013 #103

Searching house-to-house for a suspect that takes hostages and throws bombs is not Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #110

They burst through the door...and don't pay for the repair... Sekhmets Daughter Apr 2013 #77

Well, this video certainly proves Robb Apr 2013 #5

I miss UNREC. n/t zappaman Apr 2013 #6

me, too PeaceNikki Apr 2013 #11

My first thought. n/t tammywammy Apr 2013 #13

Can you post another video on this topic? I've seen yours about 100 times on DU already. JoePhilly Apr 2013 #8

Here we go again Floyd_Gondolli Apr 2013 #9

You know I would give some credence to your rage if only Rex Apr 2013 #10

No, I think that it is acceptance of a state of affairs as the new normal. Savannahmann Apr 2013 #19

So because things change, it disturbs you greatly? Rex Apr 2013 #97

Wrong. A-Long-Little-Doggie Apr 2013 #131

A man near where I live killed three people... wercal Apr 2013 #12

I was standing in my front yard. Savannahmann Apr 2013 #20

Reactions here are scary. tblue Apr 2013 #107

If I hadn't seen the fights back in the 1980's Savannahmann Apr 2013 #118

If one were to apply critical thinking to this video, questions arise. arcane1 Apr 2013 #15

Several things. Savannahmann Apr 2013 #17

"There was a time when our party...objected to this kind of police tactics." Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #22

All kinds of things were "in plain sight" jberryhill Apr 2013 #33

Correction: this video shows someone losing their civil rights.... Demo_Chris Apr 2013 #42

"does not mean that government agents can ignore it at their convenience." Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #44

I disagree. There was NO probably cause... (cont) Demo_Chris Apr 2013 #93

WATCH OUT! THAT BABY MIGHT HAVE A GUN! Th1onein Apr 2013 #43

And the last comment on this video: "I'm so happy they're doing their job." randome Apr 2013 #46

They shouldn't have come into private homes unless invited OR Th1onein Apr 2013 #57

LEOs raise their voices so there is no doubt of what's being said. Also to demonstrate authority. randome Apr 2013 #62

Yes, we do. A-Long-Little-Doggie Apr 2013 #136

No, it's NOT up to just Bostonians. NO, it's NOT. Th1onein Apr 2013 #140

Everyone seems to know the emergency has passed except you and a few others. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #48

I know that the emergency has passed, and I'm sure most others do, as well. Th1onein Apr 2013 #141

The innocent Americans were not being treated as if they were criminals Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #142

I'm sorry, but you are incorrect. Th1onein Apr 2013 #143

When did it become all available means to pull people out of their homes at gunpoint to search? Savannahmann Apr 2013 #65

They were looking for someone who killed cops, threw bombs to elude and took hostages Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #78

Oddly enough, we've heard from lots of people MineralMan Apr 2013 #124

"all available means" davidn3600 Apr 2013 #79

Actually the 4th protects against UNREASONABLE search and seizure Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #85

The "lockdown" kept the suspect from making his escape thucythucy Apr 2013 #89

I agree with every word. DevonRex Apr 2013 #134

We understand when a terrorist must be caught. DevonRex Apr 2013 #26

Still waiting for answers from you. onenote Apr 2013 #27

I find it disturbing as well PatSeg Apr 2013 #29

"...used to cheer the ACLU?" Is the ACLU objecting to this? randome Apr 2013 #34

OP is standing so high up on that soap box Rex Apr 2013 #99

What absolutely won't be accepted as a new normal boston bean Apr 2013 #40

Well said, also by Will Pitt. This entire article is worth the read: freshwest Apr 2013 #130

Gestapo? How can you lecture us and use Rex Apr 2013 #98

+1 JNelson6563 Apr 2013 #106

Jesus on a trailer hitch! I thought we solved this already NightWatcher Apr 2013 #23

But that would take all the fun out of it, apparently. n/t Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #25

Unrec. Get a grip. FSogol Apr 2013 #24

That seems impossible at this time. DevonRex Apr 2013 #28

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2013 #30

Bring a test case jberryhill Apr 2013 #31

What exactly is in constitutional Purplehazed Apr 2013 #32

On the street, not in your house. kudzu22 Apr 2013 #113

You're right.... Purplehazed Apr 2013 #114

I would be afraid to video tape or stand in the window SummerSnow Apr 2013 #35

How would you have handled it? graywarrior Apr 2013 #36

The question that's been asked more than a dozen times over the past few days. randome Apr 2013 #37

People in multiple threads have answered it ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #39

The only 'suggestions' I've seen are what NOT to do. randome Apr 2013 #45

he would have bled out datasuspect Apr 2013 #50

What if he hadn't been mortally wounded? Which would be the prudent assumption at the time. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #53

if he wasn't mortally wounded datasuspect Apr 2013 #58

True, but it's fair to say the authorities wanted to get him Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #61

A crazed killer on the run? Not knowing how badly he was wounded? randome Apr 2013 #54

I get what you're saying, but it's easy to be a Monday morning quarterback... Blue_Tires Apr 2013 #100

Oven spray has been recommended for other scenarios "in extremis" why not here too? Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #51

Sure. That and duct tape and WD-40 and I'm sure SOMETHING could have been done! randome Apr 2013 #56

they could have extracted DNA from little Richie Daley datasuspect Apr 2013 #101

We in Boston sort of kinda figured we were "assisting" in the search graywarrior Apr 2013 #41

HEY! No one's interested in your opinion so pipe down! randome Apr 2013 #47

Boston fucks don't know SHIT! graywarrior Apr 2013 #68

Well said! sheshe2 Apr 2013 #94

The data on what happened is contradictory ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #38

Yes, but lurid fantasies of boldly flipping-off the hyper-powerful totalitarian regime Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #59

oh FFS datasuspect Apr 2013 #49

Excellent Post RobinA Apr 2013 #88

The idiot authoritarians who think American Citizens being treated like this is peachy whatchamacallit Apr 2013 #52

Let us know when you're suited up and searching for the next mass-killer at large. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #55

So...you're basically writing off the entire city of Boston Arkana Apr 2013 #87

Did the entire city of Boston view that video and approve? whatchamacallit Apr 2013 #96

As Many Times As I've Seen This Posted I've Never Seen it Positively Sourced dballance Apr 2013 #60

It is indeed 14 Oak Street in Watertown, Mass - you can find it on Google maps streetview. reformist2 Apr 2013 #63

How did I end up on Infowars? I could have sworn I was browsing DU. eom tarheelsunc Apr 2013 #64

Fail. geckosfeet Apr 2013 #66

I have yet to read of a single person being cited, arrested or charged as a result of the sheltering morningfog Apr 2013 #67

The intimidation factor alone makes it out of line, imo. reformist2 Apr 2013 #69

Intimidation does not equal unconstitutional. morningfog Apr 2013 #70

Unsourced video. DevonRex Apr 2013 #73

It is indeed 14 Oak Street in Watertown, Mass - you can find it on Google maps streetview. reformist2 Apr 2013 #74

Says you. The SOURCE is not the address. nt DevonRex Apr 2013 #80

Did you go to Google maps and type in the address I gave you? reformist2 Apr 2013 #112

Why would I do that? I want to know the SOURCE not the address. DevonRex Apr 2013 #115

Bostonians weren't afraid to cooperate, they were proud to. aquart Apr 2013 #82

seriously? johnwarde Apr 2013 #71

Its clearly not sexy to criticize the government when our side is in power davidn3600 Apr 2013 #72

So true. n/t whatchamacallit Apr 2013 #75

OH, fucking LOL!!!! You mean it's not COOL to assist the police in finding a terrorist. DevonRex Apr 2013 #84

Yep. Apophis Apr 2013 #92

It was disappointing to see last week. egduj Apr 2013 #76

So someone was allowed to record police activity and post it for all to see? brooklynite Apr 2013 #83

No doubt this "Voluntary lock-down and searches" would have been met with a different result Purveyor Apr 2013 #86

As a video aficionado, haven't you ever seen a video of a hostage release/escape? brooklynite Apr 2013 #90

Here's another video... "Each time a swat team would RESCUE a family at the point of a gun" usGovOwesUs3Trillion Apr 2013 #91

This was an experiment zeeland Apr 2013 #102

I totally agree Bragi Apr 2013 #119

ROFL treestar Apr 2013 #95

Yeah right, voluntary Bragi Apr 2013 #104

Those of us who think so are a rapidly dwindling minority Savannahmann Apr 2013 #105

Quite so Bragi Apr 2013 #123

Here's a Slate article covering the topic GitRDun Apr 2013 #108

Yep, that's what fear hath wrought /nt Bragi Apr 2013 #111

Those are mighty big holes to have in our civil rights don't you think? Savannahmann Apr 2013 #116

Good post! Well stated! Bragi Apr 2013 #120

I am completely with you on GitRDun Apr 2013 #125

Not this shit again we can do it Apr 2013 #109

Yep, more of that "civil rights" shit again Bragi Apr 2013 #122

I'll wager that if those two had holed up in one of those homes and murdered Skidmore Apr 2013 #117

She already dealt with "warrantless search exceptions" Bragi Apr 2013 #121

Actually, this is in Watertown, not Boston, right? Common Sense Party Apr 2013 #128

All 20-somethings, too. As far as I've seen there's no source for this video. DevonRex Apr 2013 #132

It is Watertown. Anyone can type in 14 Oak Street Watertown MA into Google maps and verify reformist2 Apr 2013 #135

And I still want the SOURCE. Although I think i did find the original video DevonRex Apr 2013 #138

Fuck that shit! They did a great job under horrible circumstances.... Little Star Apr 2013 #129

Fuck this Infowars shit. sagat Apr 2013 #133

So in your humble opinion, what would have been the correct approach ecstatic Apr 2013 #137

Go unarmed into a houseful of 20-somethings when looking for a 19-y/o DevonRex Apr 2013 #139