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marions ghost

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92. I honestly don't understand what your beliefs are grounded in

Wed Apr 24, 2013, 02:24 PM

Apr 2013

...other than Hollywood endings.

If you care to explain, I'm listening. You have a belief. I have a belief, which I explained. You offer no reasoning behind your belief and blow me off. But if you care to elaborate why or how you believe the Tsarnaev brothers or the Columbine killers could ever be redeemed, please do.
Can we even think of an example where this has happened? And how do you know for sure?

I won't argue back along any scientific lines. Would like to hear what your rationale is. It's interesting to me that anyone can even think that. Where does it come from? If it's religious, don't worry I don't ridicule religions. I'm not interested in arguing. Just asking out of curiosity at this point. Not interested in a long debate with someone who won't budge. Just, why?

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Is it possible to get redemption after committing a heinous crime...? [View all] kentuck Apr 2013 OP

what's your definition of redemption? marions ghost Apr 2013 #1

It isn't easy NoPasaran Apr 2013 #2

Jane Fonda never bruised anyone, let alone massacred and dismembered. nt geek tragedy Apr 2013 #6

She did aid the N. Vietnamese war effort. AngryAmish Apr 2013 #23

It was propaganda, not murder. nt geek tragedy Apr 2013 #24

Propaganda does not aid an overall war effort? AngryAmish Apr 2013 #25

First Amendment covers speech, not bombs for a reason. nt geek tragedy Apr 2013 #26

There I don't understand you AngryAmish Apr 2013 #27

How did she specifically aid the NV war effort? kentuck Apr 2013 #28

She was used in NV propoganda AngryAmish Apr 2013 #29

And how did that help them? kentuck Apr 2013 #32

Are you arguing that wartime propaganda is not effective? AngryAmish Apr 2013 #34

Do you mean like? kentuck Apr 2013 #36

Propaganda is a weapon of war AngryAmish Apr 2013 #43

Then we have to ask, was it a "just" war? kentuck Apr 2013 #45

It was just a continuation of the war that has been going on for a few thousand years AngryAmish Apr 2013 #48

But many in America did not think it was a just war... kentuck Apr 2013 #52

that was all jane fonda's fault. if not for her corrupting youth, the US would have won. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #76

You do realize the US was incidental in this war? AngryAmish Apr 2013 #81

Good responses all the way timdog44 Apr 2013 #35

She wasn't arrested leftynyc Apr 2013 #44

They used her picture. tblue Apr 2013 #79

Apparently she's a fundi now ProudToBeBlueInRhody Apr 2013 #41

Barbarella a fundie? NoPasaran Apr 2013 #46

Ted claimed she got very religious midway thru their marriage ProudToBeBlueInRhody Apr 2013 #47

I love the way everyone knows so much about other people's lives CBGLuthier Apr 2013 #54

I'm just reporting what was reported by the women's husband ProudToBeBlueInRhody Apr 2013 #71

Not a fundy -- Hell Hath No Fury Apr 2013 #65

ask Shrub. He seems to be doing fine with his crimes. librechik Apr 2013 #3

Yes Duer 157099 Apr 2013 #4

It's MHO too. tblue Apr 2013 #80

To society, no. Religious people can come up with their own standards, geek tragedy Apr 2013 #5

depends on who is doing the redeeming... snooper2 Apr 2013 #7

I don't go to church anymore, Blue_In_AK Apr 2013 #8

Yes, especially if the heinous acts were committed Warpy Apr 2013 #9

Depends on what you mean Yo_Mama Apr 2013 #10

Society allows for redemption. There are hundreds of people who were sinkingfeeling Apr 2013 #11

In the Roman Catholic faith, yes... DonViejo Apr 2013 #12

I think the entire concept of redemption was devised Sekhmets Daughter Apr 2013 #13

+1 Tom Ripley Apr 2013 #19

+2! n/t backscatter712 Apr 2013 #49

Constantine is said to have converted to Christianity after murdering his son and wife REP Apr 2013 #53

Exactly.... Sekhmets Daughter Apr 2013 #70

Only with God, okay? I've given this some thought over the years Hekate Apr 2013 #14

Excellent post get the red out Apr 2013 #39

I would agree. kentuck Apr 2013 #42

I just don't hold redemption Tien1985 Apr 2013 #15

NO oldhippie Apr 2013 #16

mein furher if you confess your sins all is forgiven and you will go to heaven despite your "sins" n msongs Apr 2013 #17

That's really not how it works. Speaking words of confession would not be enough... yawnmaster Apr 2013 #63

Reading the back of cereal box may not actually give you the breadth of information you presume it d LanternWaste Apr 2013 #69

I don't know. Seems to me an essential part of "redemption" is paying the price for what you did. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #18

It is my understanding that many Christians believe in a "born again of the spirit" experience, Zorra Apr 2013 #20

Ask Michael Vick NeoConsSuck Apr 2013 #21

I have to say No. marions ghost Apr 2013 #22

There is such a thing as forgiveness undeterred Apr 2013 #30

the New Testament doctrine is "grace" grasswire Apr 2013 #31

I'll vote for redemption under the following conditions: defacto7 Apr 2013 #33

+100 n/t Tx4obama Apr 2013 #72

We aren't the victims so it isn't up to us. cbdo2007 Apr 2013 #37

Redemption? I can't see how I could answer that. MineralMan Apr 2013 #38

I don't know - think about "child soldiers". Some of them get out of that situation and haele Apr 2013 #40

No amount of good works could ever undo such mindless cruelty REP Apr 2013 #50

What type of redemption? quakerboy Apr 2013 #51

Anything is possible. liberalmuse Apr 2013 #55

To get redemption from whom? hughee99 Apr 2013 #56

Bill Ayers became a professor in the College of Education at the University of Illinois at Chicago, Douglas Carpenter Apr 2013 #57

Bill Ayers did not kill or physically hurt anyone. n/t Tx4obama Apr 2013 #73

setting off bombs multiple times certainly could have Douglas Carpenter Apr 2013 #75

But... Tx4obama Apr 2013 #94

Yes. Of course. KittyWampus Apr 2013 #58

I think those responsible should bear full responsibility for their actions Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #59

I'm not a christian, but I do believe in redemption mythology Apr 2013 #60

Good deeds? Doing your cellmate's laundry? MrSlayer Apr 2013 #61

As a Universalist, I would say it's not only possible but it will happen Recursion Apr 2013 #62

Good deeds alone, not enough, but it would require true repentance... yawnmaster Apr 2013 #64

Sure: Become an organ donor and then kill yourself. cliffordu Apr 2013 #66

Maybe In_The_Wind Apr 2013 #87

Redemption is always possible etherealtruth Apr 2013 #67

I'll bet everyone on this thread tears up when Red meets Andy Dufresne on the beach alcibiades_mystery Apr 2013 #68

Get busy living, or get busy dying davidpdx Apr 2013 #83

Ugly? marions ghost Apr 2013 #84

That's your opinion alcibiades_mystery Apr 2013 #86

I'm talking about biology marions ghost Apr 2013 #90

I understand that people who hold that view like to think it is scientifically grounded alcibiades_mystery Apr 2013 #91

I honestly don't understand what your beliefs are grounded in marions ghost Apr 2013 #92

NO- NEVER!!! nt 4 t 4 Apr 2013 #74

in a case like the Boston Bombing i think it would depend on the Victims JI7 Apr 2013 #77

Its always possible LostOne4Ever Apr 2013 #78

Is it possible to get redemption at all? JVS Apr 2013 #82

I think it is possible, depending on the severity of the crime and what actions the person takes davidpdx Apr 2013 #85

I think so, I also believe in the possibility of rehabilitation. TheKentuckian Apr 2013 #88

"Redemption Song" by Bob Marley panader0 Apr 2013 #89

I think Uncle Ruslan got it right. He needs to beg for forgiveness from Cleita Apr 2013 #93