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alcibiades_mystery

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68. Thanks...I was going by the way people discussed it on the Internet

Wed Apr 24, 2013, 05:56 PM

Apr 2013

(hence, "as I understand it&quot .

Clearly, even experienced military personnel make distinctions between "three round burst" and "full auto" in practice, and discuss them as if they are different things.

But I appreciate the legal definition here, even if it is a definition of "machine gun" under the Act rather than a deifinition of "fully automatic" under the Act. This is what I see in this regard on Wkipedia:

"Both continuous fully automatic fire and 'burst fire' (i.e., firearms with a 3-round burst feature) are considered machine gun features. The weapon's receiver is by itself considered to be a regulated firearm."

So, so, strictly speaking, saying "the three round burst IS full auto" is not really correct, as fully automatic is not the same as three-round burst, but they both constitute machine guns, yeah?

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The Guns of the Brothers Tsarnaev [View all] alcibiades_mystery Apr 2013 OP

Thanks! AnnieBW Apr 2013 #1

So the "military rifle like an M4" was full-auto? That is the modern standard for military use. Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #2

Why don't you run it by your gunner buddies in the gungeon alcibiades_mystery Apr 2013 #3

But you seem to obsess on "military" type; you comment on that. So I'm running it by you. Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #6

Wait, *I'm* obsessed? alcibiades_mystery Apr 2013 #7

You should cool down. Read your own comments to my question... Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #11

Whatever alcibiades_mystery Apr 2013 #12

If you review any of my stuff (heaven forbid)... Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #13

so we don't know if it is full or semi auto? snooper2 Apr 2013 #55

As I understand it, there are no fully automatic M4s alcibiades_mystery Apr 2013 #65

actually, three round burst is gejohnston Apr 2013 #67

Thanks...I was going by the way people discussed it on the Internet alcibiades_mystery Apr 2013 #68

under the NFA gejohnston Apr 2013 #70

Right, they're both machine guns alcibiades_mystery Apr 2013 #71

I never thought about full auto as being different gejohnston Apr 2013 #74

Indeed...that was my understanding, and the reason alcibiades_mystery Apr 2013 #76

Good point--why the hell is this OP even IN GD, if the only MADem Apr 2013 #46

It's actually: which news story: this news story, that news story, some other? alcibiades_mystery Apr 2013 #58

Trying to pigeonhole a particular weapon based on trivial technical minutia baldguy Apr 2013 #18

And yet "(t)rying to pigeonhole a particular weapon based on trivial technical minutia"... friendly_iconoclast Apr 2013 #32

K&R discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2015 #91

I doubt that it was 1-Old-Man Apr 2013 #43

It'll be interesting when the dust clears. liberalmuse Apr 2013 #4

hmmm johnwarde Apr 2013 #5

There may be a civilian type of M4, but some folks here... Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #8

Hello ~ johnwarde In_The_Wind Apr 2013 #35

Some police officers have a rifle in the car instead of a shotgun. They might have stolen that. nt rrneck Apr 2013 #9

The second story is pretty clear that they got zero guns from Officer Collier alcibiades_mystery Apr 2013 #10

Maybe there is something to that.. pipoman Apr 2013 #17

The idea being alcibiades_mystery Apr 2013 #19

If it were a true 'M4' (full auto), that would tend to implicate a police officer's patrol rifle. X_Digger Apr 2013 #22

If it existed at all alcibiades_mystery Apr 2013 #23

Well, that whole line reads as a theory, too. X_Digger Apr 2013 #24

Indeed it does alcibiades_mystery Apr 2013 #25

so they didn't have a whole arsenal? reading various posters gave me the HiPointDem Apr 2013 #14

The jury is apparently still out alcibiades_mystery Apr 2013 #15

their cars too. lots of cloudy points. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #16

What's with the two cars? How did both get to the shoot out scene? alcibiades_mystery Apr 2013 #20

yeah, and how did they shoot 200 rounds + more? grasswire Apr 2013 #21

All the reports I read said 200 rounds were fired during the firefight, by everyone involved. Common Sense Party Apr 2013 #26

if you're talking about during the car/suv incident, it sure didn't sound like it. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #30

Didn't sound like what? Common Sense Party Apr 2013 #37

Some report were that the brothers fired over 200 rounds ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #40

This is what the NYTimes said: Common Sense Party Apr 2013 #44

It is still evolving and things are still unclear ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #79

i think there were more than two involved, actually. it's confusing. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #27

They were in separate cars, and they had been MADem Apr 2013 #52

I'd guess the M4 came from the MIT officer's car kudzu22 Apr 2013 #28

That's been the suggestion alcibiades_mystery Apr 2013 #29

Or it's a carbine-sized semi-auto AR Recursion Apr 2013 #34

Carbine sized ARs are very popular ..... oldhippie Apr 2013 #39

I see them everywhere, even in CA ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #42

I think that's even more plausible than my explanation kudzu22 Apr 2013 #38

If there is no semi-auto M4, then I stand corrected. Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #49

I didn't mean to pick on terminology kudzu22 Apr 2013 #53

I understand. That was what prompted this discussion (I think). One thing for sure: Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #64

The fuckers had a gun they used to kill a cop at MIT. MADem Apr 2013 #31

Then why join a thread that's discussing what guns they had? alcibiades_mystery Apr 2013 #36

Well, gee....you said MADem Apr 2013 #45

I'm mystified alcibiades_mystery Apr 2013 #47

Well, maybe this thread IS better suited to the "gungeon." MADem Apr 2013 #48

Have a nice day alcibiades_mystery Apr 2013 #50

I didn't say the discussion was "irrelevant." MADem Apr 2013 #56

I apologize alcibiades_mystery Apr 2013 #57

Respectfully, most of us in the "gungeon" are just as horrified. Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #51

I have no doubt of that. MADem Apr 2013 #54

I agree with you. I wonder how much longer the Mods are going to allow this.. Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #63

We don't have mods anymore, we have hosts, and they MADem Apr 2013 #66

For those curious, the M4 is a somewhat smaller and lighter AR-15 Recursion Apr 2013 #33

State of MA has said neither of the brothers had gun paperwork ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #41

The serial number was filed off the gun they had. MADem Apr 2013 #60

That's the ticket! Thanks alcibiades_mystery Apr 2013 #61

Maybe the unnamed source was parsing, though. MADem Apr 2013 #62

The reports are still confusing. bluedigger Apr 2013 #72

I agree alcibiades_mystery Apr 2013 #73

The source used the word HANDgun. MADem Apr 2013 #75

I realize that. bluedigger Apr 2013 #78

The local news (WBZ) reported that this evening, as well--that he was unarmed, at MADem Apr 2013 #85

A number of news reports today pretty much confirm the one-gun theory alcibiades_mystery Apr 2013 #88

I've listened to audio of both gunfights cleduc Apr 2013 #59

technical correction gejohnston Apr 2013 #69

Both of those have been extremely strictly regulated for 80 years Recursion Apr 2013 #77

Well, mystery seemingly solved here: Dzhokhar Tsarnaev had no gun at all (in the boat) alcibiades_mystery Apr 2013 #80

My question now is -- Hell Hath No Fury Apr 2013 #81

Panic and movement alcibiades_mystery Apr 2013 #82

Yeah, I noticed the story changed a bit -- Hell Hath No Fury Apr 2013 #84

Yes--he was shot in the firefight where his brother got run over. MADem Apr 2013 #87

I know they were shooting a lot of flash-bangs at him. MADem Apr 2013 #86

Here's what started it... squids Apr 2013 #90

No guns at all. Wow. Skip Intro Apr 2013 #83

They had pressure cooker bombs and pipe bombs. MADem Apr 2013 #89