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Savannahmann

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92. I think that facts are good things to have.

Thu Apr 25, 2013, 08:14 AM

Apr 2013

Because then we can understand why the Rethugs and the DINO's voted against the Gun Control Bill. Without those facts, without that information, we can't figure out our next move. Simply screaming shame on you hasn't gotten the population at large to agree that guns are an important issue. Yet, that seems to be our battle plan for the future on the issue. Instead, why not figure out what the people think is important, and then show them our ideals, our plans for that issue? You win elections by finding out first of all what the people think is the biggest problems facing us. Then you come up with a plan for those problems, and then you can win.

We can't win shit if all we do is denounce anyone and anything that doesn't agree with our views.

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2014 Will Be A VERY Bad Year For The Democrats. [View all] Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 OP

gosh, sounds just like what they said in 2008. still_one Apr 2013 #1

heh bigtree Apr 2013 #2

". . . snowed in Minnesota last week." Jenoch Apr 2013 #39

I was listening to Mr. Keillor this weekend bigtree Apr 2013 #40

We have received 19" of snow this April Jenoch Apr 2013 #42

that's just messed up bigtree Apr 2013 #45

Maybe you are not wrong. LiberalAndProud Apr 2013 #3

I love people who have crystal balls RockaFowler Apr 2013 #4

It's magic! Floyd_Gondolli Apr 2013 #5

in your dreams spanone Apr 2013 #6

I'm sure you are hoping for it. Pisces Apr 2013 #7

+++ Champion Jack Apr 2013 #8

C'mon he said he's not happy about reporting it!!!!111 tridim Apr 2013 #12

so it's gun politics that turns out republicans? not abortion? taxes? gay marriage? flag-burning? unblock Apr 2013 #9

Oh my! HappyMe Apr 2013 #10

I'm not the only one who has noticed this. Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #11

Thanks for the link. A great breakdown of where we stand at this time. nt Mojorabbit Apr 2013 #86

well that cat is already out of the bag hfojvt Apr 2013 #13

let me clear that up. Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #19

Does anyone else smell troll dung? MjolnirTime Apr 2013 #14

no, not really...op's been here since 2005 but could just be a pessimist Demonaut Apr 2013 #17

Length of time here has nothing to do with it. HappyMe Apr 2013 #18

in my opinion they would have tripped up long before now Demonaut Apr 2013 #22

with 50+ posts? hardly. Sheepshank Apr 2013 #58

true...could be Demonaut Apr 2013 #75

yes BainsBane Apr 2013 #60

Only around your post, I'm afraid. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2013 #66

I tend to disagree Proud Liberal Dem Apr 2013 #15

2010 was their year to express their shock over Obama and Obamacare. They're worn out now. reformist2 Apr 2013 #16

They shouldn't have been shocked. Romney was a horrible candidate. Obama was an amazing candidate. Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #23

Damn. Let's not have Democrats push anything progressive...WTF kind of thinking is that? mnhtnbb Apr 2013 #20

Yes, push for progressive causes, but why push for something that you can't win? Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #27

Concern noted. n/t backscatter712 Apr 2013 #21

Gun Enthusiast Wishful Thinking. (nt) Paladin Apr 2013 #24

Yeah, you're right. I won't even try. JNelson6563 Apr 2013 #25

He who lives by the crystal ball ends up eating broken glass. DinahMoeHum Apr 2013 #26

Good one! LongTomH Apr 2013 #54

Sounds like a great way to start as a member of a site dedicated to supporting Democrats liberal N proud Apr 2013 #28

Poster has been here since 2005, but I do not agree with everything in the OP either. John1956PA Apr 2013 #34

some plans are seeded with the long term in mind. Sheepshank Apr 2013 #57

I'm with you. eom BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #76

Worst case scenario is Obama's veto pen gets a workout. Rochester Apr 2013 #29

Due to Gerrymandering, it will be very difficult to retake the House. Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #46

oh the pain wet.hen88 Apr 2013 #93

Uh, yeah...we're not losing the Senate. Chan790 Apr 2013 #30

Chan, I haven't looked at any of the actual Senate races. Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #47

FWIW... zeeland Apr 2013 #31

I am not pro gun. Savannahmann Apr 2013 #32

Gun control will be for us like abortion is for the GOP Recursion Apr 2013 #73

Gallop Poll? I don't make a move without my Gallop poll! nt Walk away Apr 2013 #80

I think that facts are good things to have. Savannahmann Apr 2013 #92

Americans respect politicians who have principles, even if they dont agree BlueStreak Apr 2013 #33

That is precisely it. laundry_queen Apr 2013 #50

People keep saying that but the voters keep not acting like that Recursion Apr 2013 #74

It was predicted Dems would lose the Senate in 2012. AtomicKitten Apr 2013 #35

Jesus rode dinosaurs too! whttevrr Apr 2013 #36

A great many voters in the United States rrneck Apr 2013 #37

God, chill out. Zoeisright Apr 2013 #38

Doooooooooooooom! (thisisarecording.) (nt) Posteritatis Apr 2013 #41

WI? Not in 2014. Viking12 Apr 2013 #43

My bad. I think I got mixed up with Minnesota. (end) Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #48

Minnesota is pretty safe for Dems Bjorn Against Apr 2013 #85

So why have Sen. Ayotte's numbers dropped 15 pts. since voting against background checks? frazzled Apr 2013 #44

Look at Gov. Cuomo's numbers. They've dropped too. Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #49

After dropping, they're still at 59% approval frazzled Apr 2013 #52

Thank you N Hampshire marions ghost Apr 2013 #64

Thanks for your concern. How many friggin guns do you have? Hoyt Apr 2013 #51

I have three. Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #67

Not really, no matter what Obama does it will not compare Rex Apr 2013 #53

When a majority of fecking NRA members want background checks? Bullshit. eridani Apr 2013 #55

Yeah right. Republicans can't seem to stop saying stupid shyte. bravenak Apr 2013 #56

I see, so "pushing gun control" is a bad idea louis-t Apr 2013 #59

not if you make the NRA the ALBATROSS it is. wave the bloody backpack! pansypoo53219 Apr 2013 #61

You're probably right but not because of gun control tularetom Apr 2013 #62

Thanks for stopping in, Mr. Hannity. RagAss Apr 2013 #63

Concern Troll Alert........ yellowcanine Apr 2013 #65

I'm concerned, but I ain't a concern troll. Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #70

Thank you for your concern. It will be carefully considered. JPZenger Apr 2013 #68

I don't vote for NRA stooges who don't support gun control. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2013 #69

The Republicans voting against background checks will be used against them, big time. Ikonoklast Apr 2013 #71

Cool story, bro Recursion Apr 2013 #72

The moderate right wants gun control ecstatic Apr 2013 #77

Still plenty of time for the GOP to screw up... again... (nt) Jon Ace Apr 2013 #78

as above your concern is noted oldhippydude Apr 2013 #79

stop being so negative! BootinUp Apr 2013 #81

Baloney. If anything will hurt Democrats, it's Obama's debacle on Social Security. n/t duffyduff Apr 2013 #82

Ayotte approval dropped 15 points after pro gun vote Progressive dog Apr 2013 #83

All those extra people that came out to specifically vote for Obama won't be there. MrSlayer Apr 2013 #84

The vote on background checks will hurt the rethugs badly mwrguy Apr 2013 #87

Making a prediction like this is a VERY bad idea cali Apr 2013 #88

THE SKY IS FALLING !!!!!!!! H2O Man Apr 2013 #89

I think 2014 will be a disaster for the GOP jmowreader Apr 2013 #90

it really is this simple - 20 dead kids quaker bill Apr 2013 #91