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In reply to the discussion: Is there any reasonable argument that the second amendment is actually a good thing? [View all]Alva Goldbook
(149 posts)The Libyans were fighting even while they were getting bombed from the sky with Libyan jets. Guess what? They still won.
Oh, so you don't think that a tyrannical gov't could form unless we already had an abusive military. Would you say that the Bush administration didn't come close to this with endless spying, and putting protesters behind barbed wire fences? Did that require the military to carry this out? Do you have zero understanding of how popular movements operate?
Madison made it more than clear that the very purpose of having state and local governments was to block a tyrannical federal gov't. That's why we have state governments in the first place.
Your historical ignorance of this is astounding. We didn't have militias because we didn't have a standing army. Madison and Jefferson both warned that standing armies were inherently dangerous and should be avoided. You can see this in the "2nd amendment" provisions of the Constitutions of the 13 original states. My own home state of Virginia states in section 13 of it's Constitution:
That a well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defense of a free state, therefore, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; that standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided as dangerous to liberty; and that in all cases the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.
You again ignore the Vietnam example. Saying it was an "internal revolution". Precisely. But it was also a revolution for their own independence. Everyone was armed. And it made conquering that nation impossible. This is also why everyone in Israel is armed.
Everyone is a member of the militia. I am a member of the Virginia state militia. You are a member of your state militia. Furthermore, the Supreme Court found in the Heller decision that there is an individual right of gun ownership.
Apparently, you've never heard of The Business Plot. How do you think the House Unamerican Activities Committee was created?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot
Were the people of Hungry armed? Were the Chinese armed? Were the people of Chile or Argentina armed? Were those revolutions not crushed by assistance from the United States?
When did I ever claim that crime in my neighborhood went away after I bought a gun? If you're going to just make up what I say, then how is it possible to have a rational conversation? Is it really that hard to understand that the sole reason why I own a gun is for my own self-protection? Do you really think that wetting yourself is preferable?