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markpkessinger

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22. It's not about "defending debt and deficits . . ."
Fri Apr 26, 2013, 01:41 PM
Apr 2013

. . . it is about when it is, and is not, appropriate to tackle debt and deficit, and when it is appropriate to run deficits. In a recession like the one we have been experiencing, and have still not entirely pulled out of -- that is, when individuals either can't or are too afraid to spend money, banks are reluctant to extend credit and businesses are hoarding cash rather than reinvesting it in the economy, the only institution remaining with the resources to stimulate demand sufficient to get the economy moving again is the government. If government tries to tackle deficits and debt now by cutting spending, the only result will be further contraction of the economy (and if you want a prime example of that, look at what happened to the U.S. economy in '37-'38, when deficit hawks caught Roosevelt's ear and convinced him to cut government spending before the economy was fully recovered). Krugman has argued that right now, when (a) the economy requires a strong injection of demand, (b) our borrowing costs are at or near zero, (c) unemployment is high and (d) we have an infrastructure that is falling apart -- that is precisely the time we <i>should</i> be running deficits and borrowing to invest in infrastructure projects that will provide jobs. He has further argued that the time to focus on reducing deficits and paying down debt is during flush times, during which government revenue automatically rises as a result of increased economic activity. And again, for a historical example of how this works, you can look at the record high debt to GDP ratio we had in 1945, which certainly didn't seem to hold back the post-war economy much!

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I'd expect them to be a little more contrite. MannyGoldstein Apr 2013 #1
Actually, good for them. In any case, we should not become the defenders of astronomical debt. reformist2 Apr 2013 #2
the problem with the "astronomical debt" argument is that it plays into the CTyankee Apr 2013 #3
We need to tell the truth - huge debt *is* bad, but higher taxes on the wealthy is the solution. reformist2 Apr 2013 #15
Increasing taxes is the opposite of a keynesian stimulus. mathematic Apr 2013 #13
Well, I thought we were recovering and no longer in a recession. Isn't that what Obama said? reformist2 Apr 2013 #14
It's the two meanings of "recession" Jim Lane Apr 2013 #33
It depends on who's taxes you're talking about. Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #31
No, Keynesian stimulus does not suggest increased taxes during a downturn. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2013 #19
We're not in a downturn. Or are you saying our party lied in 2012? reformist2 Apr 2013 #20
Yes. Our party lied in 2012 lumberjack_jeff Apr 2013 #21
Median Househols Income... whttevrr Apr 2013 #28
"household" and "family" are two different things. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2013 #32
You increase the taxes in the good times. LiberalAndProud Apr 2013 #25
Yeap you can increase gov spending and decrease taxes on the middle class too uponit7771 Apr 2013 #26
Don't know what Krugman will say, Benton D Struckcheon Apr 2013 #4
well, they had to get the results they desired SOMEHOW! CTyankee Apr 2013 #5
Latest GDP results and interpretation Benton D Struckcheon Apr 2013 #6
PK's response just posted: http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/ CTyankee Apr 2013 #9
How did something that was not peer reviewed ever get the attention it did? Sanity Claws Apr 2013 #7
It's hard for a peer to review a manuscript when the authors don't reveal their data. byeya Apr 2013 #8
That such a situation drives crucial policy decisions for whole governments CTyankee Apr 2013 #12
Because edhopper Apr 2013 #11
Krugmans comments are now up BootinUp Apr 2013 #10
Don't miss the reader comments -- markpkessinger Apr 2013 #16
R&R have managed some serious jujitsu, making Dems defend high debt and deficits... reformist2 Apr 2013 #17
That's the problem. The public has been mesmerized by repubs harping on CTyankee Apr 2013 #18
It's not about "defending debt and deficits . . ." markpkessinger Apr 2013 #22
it's just fucking common sense librechik Apr 2013 #23
Unfortunately, too many people buy into the household budget analogy . . . markpkessinger Apr 2013 #24
exactly--what family has the ability to print money or invent a job librechik Apr 2013 #29
Not to mention . . . markpkessinger Apr 2013 #30
And still they ignore Krugman... Sekhmets Daughter Apr 2013 #27
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