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davsand

(13,446 posts)
11. While I'm not defending these laws I understand how they sometimes happen.
Fri Apr 26, 2013, 07:07 PM
Apr 2013

Let's say you have that ONE house in your neighborhood that is owned by a landlord that rents to ANYONE that shows up--the child rapists, the meth makers, the insane dude that stands on the front porch taking potshots at kids and pets. Pretty soon, you have almost a groove in the street where the police get dispatched to that house ALL the time. It sounds extreme, but it happens, and it happens anyplace you can think of. Small towns, cities--it happens with amazing regularity. Sooner or later somebody gets a call demanding that "mess" be cleaned up for the good of the community. That is exactly where those "frequent or repeated police call" ordinances come from. Again, I stress, I am not saying this is right, but if you have ever lived in proximity to one of "those" places you most likely feel a certain amount of joy to see the landlords forced to deal with the problem.

Several years ago we lived across the street from one of "those" houses. This was a mixed neighborhood of rental and owner occupied houses with lot of seniors and young families. In the time we lived in that neighborhood we saw police and fire calls to that house about once a night. Guys were arrested for selling drugs on the front porch, there were horrible fights (I saw a guy getting beaten by two other guys with an axe handle and a ball bat one especially memorable night.) Another "high" point was the raid by some kind of law enforcement group that involved a battering ram and cops hiding behind cars and dumpsters. We had people walk across the street and attempt to force open our front door--then they'd walk back across the street to that house. It wasn't just once or twice either. Literally, it was a shithole. Finally, one night the resident geniuses managed to light the whole mess on fire and it burned down. Improved the neighborhood hugely, and after that we rarely saw or needed the police calls.

My daughter's high school had a lock down earlier this year when a tenant two doors down the street went into meltdown and threatened to a police officer to go "shoot up the school." This guy has a history of chasing high school students and making threats, and they actually had an Order of Protection on this guy to keep him off school property. That particular landlord is at best, "absentee," and this situation has been ongoing for more than three years--yet that guy has stayed in that house the whole time. The guy is actually in lock up right now based on his threat to "shoot up the school" and it's sounding like he's gonna go away for a while, but if he gets out are they gonna continue to let him live two doors down from that school? REALLY??

Now, I realize that a house with domestic violence happening is not the same thing as the crime laden shithole I lived near, nor is it the same as the batshit crazy guy threatening the high school. When these nuisance property ordinances go on the books, however, it is based on frequency of emergency calls rather than type of calls. So, you end up with situations like Norristown and countless others that can penalize the law abiding or worse yet, the victims. I'm not saying it's right, but I am saying that once you see a lackluster landlord in action--allowing a shithole situation to go on--you start to understand where this stuff come from.

Seems to me that maybe the thing to do would be to put local laws on the books that mandate the removal of any abuser for a minimum of 24 hours, or maybe some sort of aggressive counseling program to the victims--I honestly don't know what would be enough in those cases--but I'm not willing to completely abandon local laws forcing landlords to be responsible.

YMMV.



Laura

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I have said this before. Kalidurga Apr 2013 #1
Huh? pnwmom Apr 2013 #2
But this is about a woman who had to have the police out three times due to Lady Freedom Returns Apr 2013 #3
If he did it three times, he should be in jail, is what I think it being said there. freshwest Apr 2013 #6
Yeah, but the main story is about the woman being evicted from her home due to police coming out... Lady Freedom Returns Apr 2013 #8
Yes, shafting the victim. But with a system of supports in place, she'd have left the first time. freshwest Apr 2013 #9
Many abuse victims have been so torn down by the abuser that they feel worthless & unworthy of help peacebird Apr 2013 #17
What would lead you to think I don't know that very well? This law is a symptom of a bigger problem. freshwest Apr 2013 #19
I apologize, that is not what I thought you were saying. It appears we are in violent agreement. peacebird Apr 2013 #20
Thanks. This thread seems to bring that out. I'm gone, see you later. freshwest Apr 2013 #23
Maybe it was her place. He's her ex-boyfriend. How do we know she didn't pnwmom Apr 2013 #37
If he'd been kept in jail, it wouldn't have happened, no matter what. She called the first time... freshwest Apr 2013 #38
Reading the article is helpful TalkingDog Apr 2013 #10
So punish the victim? Canuckistanian Apr 2013 #31
I don't get where people are seeing me say that. Kalidurga Apr 2013 #42
Franken discussed how many women and children were made homeless from DV. At that time, he still freshwest Apr 2013 #4
They wouldn't need so many shelters if they didn't make landlords evict them. pnwmom Apr 2013 #5
The majority of homeless were not evicted, but escaped from home. freshwest Apr 2013 #7
While I'm not defending these laws I understand how they sometimes happen. davsand Apr 2013 #11
Thanks for the context, davsand. n/t pnwmom Apr 2013 #15
Many women cant escape. revmclaren Apr 2013 #12
Thank you for posting this. It really sickens me. truedelphi Apr 2013 #13
What a story, truedelphi. pnwmom Apr 2013 #14
One statistic I have memorized from my brush with truedelphi Apr 2013 #18
I'm not surprised by that at all, sadly enough. pnwmom Apr 2013 #32
This is so fucking wrong on so many levels. Initech Apr 2013 #16
another salvo lobbed in the war against women... SemperEadem Apr 2013 #21
Those in cities with this kind of law Savannahmann Apr 2013 #22
Thank goodness the ACLU is helping her. pennylane100 Apr 2013 #24
God Bless America! AZ Progressive Apr 2013 #25
informative and the lights went on hopemountain Apr 2013 #26
Question for those with legal chops DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2013 #27
Good question. The article mentions other violations. pnwmom Apr 2013 #36
DV calls are where most injuries and deaths to police happen Recursion Apr 2013 #28
The law could also take effect in a stalking situation, pnwmom Apr 2013 #33
Abusers are good at getting the victims to want them to come back Recursion Apr 2013 #35
Not in Hawaii KauaiK Apr 2013 #29
Same here. It's a societal problem, not just that family. freshwest Apr 2013 #39
Norristown? drm604 Apr 2013 #30
Gee doesn't that work out well for the GOP who Politicalboi Apr 2013 #34
We must have order. Mopar151 Apr 2013 #40
And just how many ways can these laws be abused? TheMadMonk Apr 2013 #41
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