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Phillip McCleod

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138. i don't think it should be outlawed, but curriculum should be secular.

Fri Apr 26, 2013, 06:11 PM

Apr 2013

if parents want their children to receive extracurricular religious indoctrination that's different. and of course allowance should be made for secular religious education.. about a *variety* of religions, dead and living, to better understand their role in history, anthropology, psychology, etc..

but home-schooling one's kids that people rode dinosaurs?

no, if that's what parents want to teach, then by law their children should be required to attend a secular primary educational institution.

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the 4th grade science test that has gone viral: sad but its true [View all] rdking647 Apr 2013 OP

Private schools, charter schools and home schooling gopiscrap Apr 2013 #1

Amen! I feel bad for the President's children, who must be getting a second rate education hughee99 Apr 2013 #5

Doubt they are being taught that Jesus rode a dinosaur AgingAmerican Apr 2013 #25

Who knows? Since the post I'm responding to lumps in all hughee99 Apr 2013 #34

+100% /nt demwing Apr 2013 #90

Your proposal sounds like the beginning of a totalitarian society. TimberValley Apr 2013 #21

Andover should be outlawed? KamaAina Apr 2013 #22

There are plenty of good private schools out there NewJeffCT Apr 2013 #65

My daughter is an educator in a charter school, RebelOne Apr 2013 #141

To paint all home schooling with the same brush as this school is wrong. Lady Freedom Returns Apr 2013 #149

This is what we deserve when we put religious beliefs on a pedestal and shield it from criticism. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #2

+1 SunSeeker Apr 2013 #4

^^ You said it. Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #7

+1 Marr Apr 2013 #16

Yes yes yes. Initech Apr 2013 #40

ame with political and philosophical opinions too... LanternWaste Apr 2013 #106

Yer goddam right. Iggo Apr 2013 #109

+ infinity. Apophis Apr 2013 #117

+1 \n Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #119

Sent their kid to a religious school... gcomeau Apr 2013 #3

teaching lies in place of science is child abuse sigmasix Apr 2013 #6

They are not teaching lies, they are teaching ignorance. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #9

Nail meet hammer. snagglepuss Apr 2013 #14

No it is not child abuse. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #26

It IS abuse. It's indoctrination into a dangerous and ignorant cult. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #32

It's not abuse because they believe it to be true Ter Apr 2013 #35

Uhm, okay. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #48

If that's the best you've got, it's no wonder you've already lost Ter Apr 2013 #71

Science does not contradict it's self Lordquinton Apr 2013 #74

Uhm, okay. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #76

I'm sure that's a typo. LiberalAndProud Apr 2013 #91

Exactly MAD Dave Apr 2013 #154

there's shades of 'wrong' yes. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #120

The people who burned that baby alive in Chile Warpy Apr 2013 #132

Sorry, but you don't get to define "child abuse" based on whatever suits your mood. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #37

Neither do you. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #50

sigmasix brought it up, not me. Have you read any of this thread at all? Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #52

I edited. Putting me back on ignore? Now I don't need to read YOUR shitty attitude. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #56

You need to think about what he's saying from a different angle. Sirveri Apr 2013 #150

christians *have* defined 'child abuse' that way in some places.. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #121

I do not see where atheism is being equated to child abuse. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #135

"I do not see..." you should have just stopped right there. nt eqfan592 Apr 2013 #148

Oh, zing! Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #152

Sorry, but I've had my fill of bandying words with willfully ignorant and obtuse people for one day. eqfan592 Apr 2013 #161

"Bandying words" is the new euphamism for bullshit? Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #163

clean, I strongly agree. This IS child abuse. ChairmanAgnostic Apr 2013 #68

It may not be actual child abuse, but does come damn close sometimes, IMO. n/t AverageJoe90 Apr 2013 #51

Sometimes. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #54

don't know where to jump in here, but Brainstormy Apr 2013 #66

It is abuse. Purposely disabling a child who is counting on adults. we can do it Apr 2013 #146

Disabling? LOL! Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #151

Know any kids raised this way? Warren Stupidity Apr 2013 #156

From foot binding. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #159

I do too. They are crippled. Both in critical thinking and how the world works. we can do it Apr 2013 #164

It is the mental equivalent of foot binding. Warren Stupidity Apr 2013 #155

Is this some odd game? Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #158

It should remain perfectly legal. Freedom of religion/speech. nt. TimberValley Apr 2013 #8

I agree, but that school should not legally count as school. ZombieHorde Apr 2013 #11

hee hee. i can see it now.. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #122

NO! You are free to believe whatever you want. You should not be free to force... TheMadMonk Apr 2013 #18

So parents can't raise their children in a particular religious upbringing? TimberValley Apr 2013 #24

they should not be, IMO.... mike_c Apr 2013 #28

And you are welcome to your opinion demwing Apr 2013 #84

By example, yes. By indoctrination, NO! TheMadMonk Apr 2013 #41

Why dont you state your argument in the form of a statement in lieu rhett o rick Apr 2013 #160

and what would you do to prevent this? /nt demwing Apr 2013 #92

i agree that we *should not* as parents be indoctrinating.. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #123

They should be forced to remove any mention of science from future tests Bosonic Apr 2013 #38

Yes, perfectly legal they shall remain Angelonthesidelines Apr 2013 #73

Wow. Apophis Apr 2013 #82

that's _your_ belief demwing Apr 2013 #85

How can anyone condone this? Apophis Apr 2013 #87

Again, just the above example, or should all religious teaching be criminalized? /nt demwing Apr 2013 #88

If I seem to recall, and correct me if I'm wrong, Apophis Apr 2013 #95

I don't care to change your mind demwing Apr 2013 #97

Teaching children the misinformation on the test should be illegal. Apophis Apr 2013 #98

interesting that that was your 666th post !` demwing Apr 2013 #103

Giving kids that misinformation is dangerous. Apophis Apr 2013 #112

religious education is one thing, indoctrination into a particular religion another. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #126

why? Niceguy1 Apr 2013 #131

Freedom of speech is not teaching lies to children who have no choice. we can do it Apr 2013 #147

When they get to college they learn about electricity Capt. Obvious Apr 2013 #10

You Hit on My Thoughts Exactly. They'll Be So Far Behind Other Students in College dballance Apr 2013 #13

Any electrical engineer would laugh in your face if said that. Initech Apr 2013 #49

"Were you there?" SalviaBlue Apr 2013 #12

The only possible answer to that question is "Yes, I was." Occulus Apr 2013 #78

Which reply begs the question... ohheckyeah Apr 2013 #94

So about that zombie dude MattBaggins Apr 2013 #124

Why yes, yes I was. ohheckyeah Apr 2013 #144

This works against the fundie indoctrination Politicub Apr 2013 #15

true there's plenty of atheists.. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #127

That is child abuse. Marr Apr 2013 #17

you're right: "then I don't know what is." /nt demwing Apr 2013 #86

How would you feel if someone raised their child to believe it's the year 2350 Marr Apr 2013 #102

I 'd think they were pretty foolish, but not abusive /nt demwing Apr 2013 #104

Well, we disagree then. Marr Apr 2013 #107

Considering that the vast majority of the country demwing Apr 2013 #110

Wait-- is the "vast majority" of Christianity evolution-denying fundamentalists or not? Marr Apr 2013 #118

No shift demwing Apr 2013 #125

as is often the case with 'most people'.. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #128

In the question at hand demwing Apr 2013 #153

Not only can they teach that gollygee Apr 2013 #19

I was there and dinosaurs didn't exist. Liars! Dash87 Apr 2013 #20

That test is beyond bizarre. But interestingly enough... Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #23

And two of the dumbest attorneys I've ever met came from Liberty. Ikonoklast Apr 2013 #42

Liberty granted Sean Hannity an honorary doctorate. They are clearly idiots. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #47

and neither is some supposedly brilliant but unnamed geneticist. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #129

You want to see his resume? Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #136

This message was self-deleted by its author TimberValley Apr 2013 #27

OMG.... mike_c Apr 2013 #30

if Snopes hadn't checked it out I wouldn't have believed it Enrique Apr 2013 #29

Yes, it's hard to believe people would want to do this to their kids. HereSince1628 Apr 2013 #36

As a Christian, I agree with the answers on the test. nt. TimberValley Apr 2013 #31

i don't believe you Enrique Apr 2013 #43

But I do believe it. nt. TimberValley Apr 2013 #44

You believe that man lived amongst dinosaurs and the earth is only 6000 years old... truebrit71 Apr 2013 #55

I'm not sure about 6,000 years old, but I do believe 10,000 years or younger. nt. TimberValley Apr 2013 #59

Believing it to be true doesn't make it so, and believing in the fact of contrary facts... cleanhippie Apr 2013 #62

Wow.. truebrit71 Apr 2013 #64

Respectfully, what is the source for your belief? No Vested Interest Apr 2013 #67

He's dead, Jim Occulus Apr 2013 #79

Thank God! HangOnKids Apr 2013 #81

Yay! The stupid RW troll is gone! Apophis Apr 2013 #99

I hope you are not a science teacher. SalviaBlue Apr 2013 #45

You believe religious dogma trumps reality? Ikonoklast Apr 2013 #46

You can agree all you want, but you will continue to be wrong and wilfully ignorant. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #60

I'm a Christian too, and I don't agree with mercymechap Apr 2013 #72

You're part of the problem in this country. Apophis Apr 2013 #83

Outlawed? Ter Apr 2013 #33

+1! Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #39

agree!! n/t sammytko Apr 2013 #58

Chil abuse is a crime. This is child abuse. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #63

And this is why Republicans win elections Ter Apr 2013 #70

Republicans win because there are those like yourself that would prefer we ignore reality cleanhippie Apr 2013 #75

+1 Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #133

+1000000 nt eqfan592 Apr 2013 #162

If the bible gives the value of pi = 3, as I understand it does, Occulus Apr 2013 #80

It should be illegal to deliberately teach lies and call yourself a 'school' muriel_volestrangler Apr 2013 #115

telling kids santa is real is WAY WAY different than telling them god is real. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #130

Of course it's true. proud2BlibKansan Apr 2013 #53

that test is an obscenity ZRT2209 Apr 2013 #57

Home schooling should definitely be disallowed. adieu Apr 2013 #61

Like hell. The Straight Story Apr 2013 #77

i don't oppose home schooling but curriculum should be regulated. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #134

thankfully, you don't make the home schooling rules demwing Apr 2013 #89

Bias is well founded adieu Apr 2013 #93

My personal experience trumps your personal experience demwing Apr 2013 #96

Agreed. Apophis Apr 2013 #100

i don't think it should be outlawed, but curriculum should be secular. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #138

ill be retired and these fourth graders will be running the country RedstDem Apr 2013 #69

not if my H.S. Junior has anything to say about it! Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #139

This is what you call child abuse. Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #101

that's your opinion demwing Apr 2013 #105

So you're saying that it's okay to lie to children? Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #108

Some "lies" are harmless demwing Apr 2013 #111

We're not talking about religious tradition now, are we? Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #114

Teaching ones child about ones relgion is one thing, brainwashing them to believe nonsense is anothe cleanhippie Apr 2013 #142

THIS. Apophis Apr 2013 #113

As Frank Schaeffer described it - "The home school and Christian school movement are creating the Douglas Carpenter Apr 2013 #116

Home schoolers on DU about to smite you in 3...2....1 GoneOffShore Apr 2013 #145

I guess you can't legislate stupid. There will be a lot of kids who will not have clue one about Pisces Apr 2013 #137

Not just ignorant, WILFULLY ignorant. And that should be a crime. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #143

Statement from Sarah Palin Brimley Apr 2013 #140

Tools to create the dystopias of Huxley and Wells. freshwest Apr 2013 #157