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219. I agree. Then why do you think the President did not demand that in return for what

Reply to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #217)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 09:16 AM

Apr 2013

Republicans wanted, he expected (what we are always told is necessary) a compromise from them on Meals on Wheels eg? Why not go to the public, explain what is happening, tell the public 'I know these airport delays need to be fixed, but just as important are the following issues (list them) so I am more than willing to help fix the delays so that Congress can go home, however I am asking that we do not leave our most vulnerable citizens out in the cold. So, I am asking for the cooperation of Congress to fix the following items that will have a devastating effect on many our of elderly and our working class'.

Is it just Republicans who get to ask for 'compromise'?

Is it only Democrats who must always compromise?

Because you can be damn sure that if the shoe was on the other foot here, Republicans, KNOWING how important an issue was to Democrats, would use the opportunity to get something they want.

We know this because it happens all the time, and when the President agrees to compromise, and we get upset, about Monsanto eg, we are told that we don't understand politics, that politics is 'all about compromise'..

So if this is true, how come only Democrats have to compromise?

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Obama is dealt 4 Aces and he folds his hand. [View all] kentuck Apr 2013 OP

I think you're overstating the strength of his hand. geek tragedy Apr 2013 #1

Am I the only one pissed off about this? kentuck Apr 2013 #3

You're not the only one pissed about this. geek tragedy Apr 2013 #7

out-foxed? kentuck Apr 2013 #8

I know, who would have guessed. geek tragedy Apr 2013 #9

I really don't mind if he wins or loses... kentuck Apr 2013 #11

I do mind if he loses, because that means the Teahadists win. nt geek tragedy Apr 2013 #15

So, is this a victory for the Teahadists? kentuck Apr 2013 #18

A big victory for the Teahadists. earthside Apr 2013 #32

He is fighting. What you obviously mean is that you want him to show some fight for us. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #34

He is surrendering. kentuck Apr 2013 #36

This is a tough one because a lot MORE than just Congress has been gateley Apr 2013 #57

+1000 n/t Isoldeblue Apr 2013 #168

So where does your support go? George II Apr 2013 #263

My support will go to... kentuck Apr 2013 #270

Oh no, kentuck, he's fighting! Bake Apr 2013 #277

More 11-Dimensional chess. Win by losing. blkmusclmachine Apr 2013 #181

Yup. ctsnowman Apr 2013 #230

No, But The GOP Has 5 Aces Up Their Sleeve AndyTiedye Apr 2013 #101

Exactly. But some people really can't see the forest for the trees BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #251

I didn't know that civics lessons were stopped in our public schools. Would my guess Cal33 Apr 2013 #291

Outfoxed? gussmith Apr 2013 #109

IMO, Obama should have the senate pass a bill. If any part of sequestration is abolished, it all is. dotymed Apr 2013 #63

no you are not noiretextatique Apr 2013 #14

Pissed off and pissed on. SammyWinstonJack Apr 2013 #41

You are not the only one pissed-off. But you are making some assumptions that rhett o rick Apr 2013 #77

Yes, but not at Obama Isoldeblue Apr 2013 #112

If the right wing has been so willing to destroy this President why does he seem to continue to midnight Apr 2013 #227

a question that has no answer. ChairmanAgnostic Apr 2013 #248

How so? Isoldeblue Apr 2013 #280

How about those bush Tax cuts..... I can't think of a bigger award than this one... midnight Apr 2013 #281

He folded a long time ago. Bush tax cuts should have expired. We would have an economy. robinlynne Apr 2013 #157

Exactly. ctsnowman Apr 2013 #232

It is a testament to the Orwellian shamelessness of Third Way propaganda woo me with science Apr 2013 #278

I'm with you on this big time, ken tuck... MrMickeysMom Apr 2013 #194

The more things change . . . CrispyQ Apr 2013 #238

lol Love it. ctsnowman Apr 2013 #250

NO. Congress deserved to be "inconvenienced" at least. Demeter Apr 2013 #269

I don't know that he's holding a straight. But I like Obama, and I gotta agree w/you on this. Honeycombe8 Apr 2013 #285

Well, they looked at him funny, and he interpreted it as a straight flush. Fuddnik Apr 2013 #81

Note the pathetic showing of House and Senate Democrats. geek tragedy Apr 2013 #82

Absolutely! kentuck Apr 2013 #84

Only people with strong stomachs, I would imagine. nt geek tragedy Apr 2013 #85

I was, and I wrote to my dem Congressman Lifelong Protester Apr 2013 #252

Even worse IMO: Raine1967 Apr 2013 #143

hand kardonb Apr 2013 #113

Post removed Post removed Apr 2013 #192

The idea of Sequester was that there would be so much pain in so many places . . . freedom fighter jh Apr 2013 #210

Exactly! marew Apr 2013 #212

Yep. nt geek tragedy Apr 2013 #223

That was the stated idea but I tnink we are beginning to see what it's real purpose was now. ctsnowman Apr 2013 #233

I fear you're right. nt freedom fighter jh Apr 2013 #288

Very true. One of the 99 Apr 2013 #235

The President knows that there are easily enough votes to overturn a veto. lamp_shade Apr 2013 #2

Then that would make a very valuable point. kentuck Apr 2013 #5

So you know it wouldn't help fix any problem, but you want him to do it muriel_volestrangler Apr 2013 #19

Surrender. kentuck Apr 2013 #20

You think an extra day of inconveience to a class of people already inconvenienced muriel_volestrangler Apr 2013 #25

I really don't care if they turn against Congress. That is not the point. kentuck Apr 2013 #27

So your wish isn't to get Congress to talk about the other subjects after all? muriel_volestrangler Apr 2013 #30

It would be nice but... kentuck Apr 2013 #31

What do you think is more important? Fixing the cuts to Meals on Wheels or ensuring that sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #213

Fixing the cuts to Meals on Wheels. Which is why kentuck's attitude disappoints me muriel_volestrangler Apr 2013 #217

I agree. Then why do you think the President did not demand that in return for what sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #219

Here's what the White House said on Tuesday: muriel_volestrangler Apr 2013 #222

Oh puh-leeeeze. woo me with science Apr 2013 #271

..... madfloridian Apr 2013 #97

I didn't even think of that. gateley Apr 2013 #60

Delayed flights cost business time and money, so that's a must fix AndyA Apr 2013 #4

And no fight causes the working class to lose. He needs to stop trying to 'accomodate' sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #49

+10.000 smirkymonkey Apr 2013 #140

Exactly! ctsnowman Apr 2013 #237

+1 n/m Isoldeblue Apr 2013 #116

Those that refuse to fight. kentuck Apr 2013 #6

when you say that "he folds" hfojvt Apr 2013 #10

I am hoping that he is being shrewd. whttevrr Apr 2013 #22

What you said. Fuddnik Apr 2013 #90

an eXcellent observation Stewland Apr 2013 #173

Obama disappoints Stewland Apr 2013 #189

Makes sense, because that's what Republicans demanded. closeupready Apr 2013 #12

Frustrating, isn't it. n/t Cleita Apr 2013 #13

Just hold 'em over until Monday. kentuck Apr 2013 #17

That seems reasonable. gateley Apr 2013 #64

You're right. I can't really add anything to that, but I agree. senseandsensibility Apr 2013 #149

Sucks... whttevrr Apr 2013 #16

There's a lot of bribes..er..campaign contributions to be had from the airline industry. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2013 #21

The kids will grow up to be liberals anyway. UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #204

no, he folded in 2011 Enrique Apr 2013 #23

I'm sick of the excuses... kentuck Apr 2013 #24

lets be honest here. You're sick of everything Obama does...again n/t Sheepshank Apr 2013 #37

And to think I voted for him twice... kentuck Apr 2013 #38

and some people never stop villifying. n/t Sheepshank Apr 2013 #39

Yes, I'm pissed... kentuck Apr 2013 #40

but the question and earlier state was "are you even not pissed". Doesn't seem like it Sheepshank Apr 2013 #43

I don't think that's it. I know it's not for me. I'm sick of what he DOESN'T do, like sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #290

NO!! WE DID!! We gave away leverage to the Teabaggers when WE failed to vote in 2010!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2013 #48

you didn't vote in 2010? Enrique Apr 2013 #78

You know exactly what I mean. Don't be ridiculous. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2013 #87

I voted in 2010, too. kurtzapril4 Apr 2013 #100

No, us liberals didn't vote... awoke_in_2003 Apr 2013 #196

Obviously not enough of us voted, as Russ Feingold lost! When you can explain that, I'll listen. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2013 #282

The assumption is that everyone in Russ Feingold's district is a "liberal". kentuck Apr 2013 #286

You're proving my point with your response. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2013 #295

... woo me with science Apr 2013 #274

I voted. Isoldeblue Apr 2013 #121

See my post above. Obviously not enough of us voted. (Of course I did!) Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2013 #283

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Flying has a different clientele then meals on wheels upaloopa Apr 2013 #26

++Good! Newest Reality Apr 2013 #154

+1 Lifelong Protester Apr 2013 #257

I am sick of the Excuses and Chess Moves too. bvar22 Apr 2013 #28

K&R. Really shows you what his priorities are. MotherPetrie Apr 2013 #29

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I know a lot of people are silent because... kentuck Apr 2013 #35

Hey kentuck... Did You Catch This ??? WillyT Apr 2013 #44

Yeah. kentuck Apr 2013 #51

the "sap" montanacowboy Apr 2013 #46

It took me a while, but I'm where you are now. I was pissed when I saw Maureen Dowd's last AlinPA Apr 2013 #56

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I could only guess... kentuck Apr 2013 #75

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Uh-huh.. kentuck Apr 2013 #163

Better snide than delusional. And thanks for saying I'm cute. Number23 Apr 2013 #164

I'm sorry but you misquote. kentuck Apr 2013 #167

Damn, honey. Forget it. Number23 Apr 2013 #169

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Outch! Isoldeblue Apr 2013 #178

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4 aces vegasjack Apr 2013 #47

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So, should we just stay home? juajen Apr 2013 #103

Post removed Post removed Apr 2013 #111

My suggestion would be: kentuck Apr 2013 #114

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Alan Grayson in the House seems a lot like Sanders dballance Apr 2013 #191

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It's more clear by the day that the problem is... kentuck Apr 2013 #62

I enabled Obama by voting for him twice, just like you did. JoePhilly Apr 2013 #67

Nothing pisses you off. kentuck Apr 2013 #71

You're serially incapable of disagreeing with ANYTHING Obama says or does DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2013 #144

you confuse the fact that ... JoePhilly Apr 2013 #174

oh FUCK Skittles Apr 2013 #188

More than anything ... JoePhilly Apr 2013 #220

you act utterly INCAPABLE of the idea of criticism where criticsm is due Skittles Apr 2013 #273

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Post removed Post removed Apr 2013 #65

You can go back to sleep now. kentuck Apr 2013 #69

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You have 18 posts and you call KENTUCK a troll?!?! stillwaiting Apr 2013 #89

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Bless you for saying how it is!! Isoldeblue Apr 2013 #131

So am I.... revmclaren Apr 2013 #132

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+1000 n/t :) Isoldeblue Apr 2013 #133

"Traveling Class"? Jakes Progress Apr 2013 #266

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Death by a thousand cuts. russspeakeasy Apr 2013 #68

+10000 azurnoir Apr 2013 #70

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I disagree with your assessment Politicub Apr 2013 #93

I could ask? kentuck Apr 2013 #95

Perhaps so. n/t AverageJoe90 Apr 2013 #186

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One person and one person only... 99Forever Apr 2013 #91

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It already passed with over 2/3 of the vote, do they even have to revote? krawhitham Apr 2013 #148

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Myself....Im Damn proud of my President! revmclaren Apr 2013 #94

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How much is enough?..... revmclaren Apr 2013 #102

BS. kentuck Apr 2013 #105

Ranter... revmclaren Apr 2013 #117

You haven't been here long enough to see me rant. kentuck Apr 2013 #122

How do yo know I havent????? revmclaren Apr 2013 #129

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X 1000 ctsnowman Apr 2013 #241

+ another 1000 Jakes Progress Apr 2013 #268

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Rich people aren't the only ones who fly. eom tarheelsunc Apr 2013 #106

What an illogical statement? kentuck Apr 2013 #107

The FAA shouldn't be cut, and neither should any of the groups/programs you mentioned. eom tarheelsunc Apr 2013 #108

So let's fix this FAA problem... kentuck Apr 2013 #110

No one wants "others to go to hell" tarheelsunc Apr 2013 #119

But in doing so... kentuck Apr 2013 #123

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But there are only 4 aces in the deck... kentuck Apr 2013 #126

Oh ya... Cali_Democrat Apr 2013 #141

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Obama is the leader of the Democratic Party Cali_Democrat Apr 2013 #147

Trust you, yeah right krawhitham Apr 2013 #150

OK.... Cali_Democrat Apr 2013 #193

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When he does the same people will rush to defend him. ctsnowman Apr 2013 #243

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The other side does! Lady Freedom Returns Apr 2013 #172

Yeah, yada yada yada. truedelphi Apr 2013 #208

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Harry S. Truman: "The buck stops here." woo me with science Apr 2013 #197

Why do people keep forgetting.. Lady Freedom Returns Apr 2013 #199

That's priceless. woo me with science Apr 2013 #201

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Again, you're asking the President to do the job of talking to your representative for you muriel_volestrangler Apr 2013 #218

Excuse me?? Where did I say that the people should not call their Reps? I KNOW they have sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #221

That comes from this sub-thread muriel_volestrangler Apr 2013 #224

'Seem to be saying'? You apparently are not familiar with American politics. I know sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #242

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At the very least he would address this to the American people. ctsnowman Apr 2013 #234

You mean, like talking in his weekly address about it? muriel_volestrangler Apr 2013 #245

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You are ignorant of my politics muriel_volestrangler Apr 2013 #258

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