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47. it would be funny if it weren't so sad

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 11:06 AM

Apr 2013

this sort of stupid comparison:

"According to the Insurance Journal, 200 people were killed by hitting deer with their cars. That's more than double the number of mass murder deaths."

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Don't let the gun nuts frame the debate [View all] Uzair Apr 2013 OP

This pretty much covers all the bases. Great post. DanTex Apr 2013 #1

This is a terrific post etherealtruth Apr 2013 #2

Embrace the 2nd Amendment... Mike Nelson Apr 2013 #3

With emphasis on Well-Regulated madokie Apr 2013 #23

+1 YoungDemCA Apr 2013 #196

Theres always this. GeorgeGist Apr 2013 #4

Facts. They will always get in their way. (nt) Uzair Apr 2013 #12

K&R baldguy Apr 2013 #5

Gun nuts have no respect for truth eom Progressive dog Apr 2013 #6

It's always sage advice to control framing. +1. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2013 #7

K&R and Welcome to DU. 99Forever Apr 2013 #8

Heck of a post. Welcome to DU! Robb Apr 2013 #9

Great advice. The pro-gun types have controlled the argument for way too long. (nt) Paladin Apr 2013 #10

This looks like the apocalypse pintobean Apr 2013 #11

People also have trouble getting drugs in Japan Recursion Apr 2013 #13

Do Canadians have trouble getting drugs? Uzair Apr 2013 #19

Don't let the nuts on either side frame the argument. nt hack89 Apr 2013 #14

Which side are you on? lastlib Apr 2013 #104

I am with the the kids of course. hack89 Apr 2013 #114

I've seen some of them do that... Neoma Apr 2013 #117

well, an awful lot of them don't want to do anything to stop it....... lastlib Apr 2013 #118

Gun OWNERS may care about those murdered kids..... Paladin Apr 2013 #147

Because you don't take the care to distinguish between owners and activists hack89 Apr 2013 #151

this is true for many posters here Duckhunter935 Apr 2013 #158

I'm surprised they don't make us use a JohnnyBoots Apr 2013 #170

Trust me, it's not hard to tell the difference. (nt) Paladin Apr 2013 #177

No - I don't trust you hack89 Apr 2013 #181

The feeling is mutual, I assure you. Adios. (nt) Paladin Apr 2013 #186

The problem is...the gun control bill had nothing to do with Newtown. Honeycombe8 Apr 2013 #190

Don't forget the -- It was gang related trap -- onehandle Apr 2013 #15

When a black kid is shot, it's "Yay! Another thug off the street!" Robb Apr 2013 #21

I knew this looked familiar. Union Scribe Apr 2013 #16

Doesn't make it any less valid madokie Apr 2013 #24

Actually I find much of it reactionary foolishness. Union Scribe Apr 2013 #125

Works for Me otohara Apr 2013 #128

Welcome to DU! I'm happy you're here Cali_Democrat Apr 2013 #17

Maybe if Japan weren't an island... Pelican Apr 2013 #18

Define "Gun nut" n/t hootinholler Apr 2013 #20

Anyone whose need to own guns has not been outgrown Ron Green Apr 2013 #38

That's fairly elegant. Robb Apr 2013 #40

+1000 G_j Apr 2013 #44

Glad you wrote that. JohnnyBoots Apr 2013 #66

If the shoe doesn't fit, don't worry about it. Ron Green Apr 2013 #194

Since you are holding out Japan as an example Crepuscular Apr 2013 #22

GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ DainBramaged Apr 2013 #36

Apparently you Crepuscular Apr 2013 #79

GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ DainBramaged Apr 2013 #81

when someone resorts to the kind of meaningless response Crepuscular Apr 2013 #83

Stop with the win/lose shit America loses because of your idiotic clinging to an outdated Amendment DainBramaged Apr 2013 #86

Yet another meaningless response Crepuscular Apr 2013 #93

Here's the deference between us DainBramaged Apr 2013 #100

Apparently Crepuscular Apr 2013 #116

The OP specifically invoked Japan in the context of the gun debate. Why is it not relevant geckosfeet Apr 2013 #80

OK, let's talk about suicide rates in Canada and the UK then Uzair Apr 2013 #124

since almost 2/3rds of gun related deaths in this country Crepuscular Apr 2013 #141

Canada. The UK. Uzair Apr 2013 #148

If you are willing to dismiss the suicide problem in Japan, Crepuscular Apr 2013 #166

This is the sort of inane blithering that stops all meaningful discussion. Union Scribe Apr 2013 #126

You would have to gut the 4th and 5th Amendments to be safe like Japan hack89 Apr 2013 #25

It's a question of culture JohnnyBoots Apr 2013 #26

What a load of BS -- "Guns are part of who we are as a nation." Maybe that needs to change. Hoyt Apr 2013 #54

You're welcome to emmigrate any time you like. NT JohnnyBoots Apr 2013 #64

The old right wing -- "don't like it leave" crud. Hoyt Apr 2013 #70

Actually, JohnnyBoots Apr 2013 #77

Women carrying don't bother me much, because they usually aren't into the killing aspect of guns. Hoyt Apr 2013 #89

Most gun owners, male and female, premium Apr 2013 #91

What's your excuse, and what's the real motive? Hoyt Apr 2013 #94

What's my excuse for what? premium Apr 2013 #95

Yes, first hand experience with a bunch of gunnys. Hoyt Apr 2013 #101

Yeah, right, Ok, premium Apr 2013 #102

Guns are part of who we are as a nation marions ghost Apr 2013 #63

What a patriotic response. JohnnyBoots Apr 2013 #65

If you really loved America marions ghost Apr 2013 #71

You can call me a wimp and JohnnyBoots Apr 2013 #76

OK I see marions ghost Apr 2013 #84

Really good logic: billh58 Apr 2013 #99

Oh, Bill JohnnyBoots Apr 2013 #103

Now, now, billh58 Apr 2013 #106

I'm perfectly happy to JohnnyBoots Apr 2013 #108

Wow. billh58 Apr 2013 #111

That all you got? JohnnyBoots Apr 2013 #113

Don't have to Big Guy, billh58 Apr 2013 #115

So...you've got nothing JohnnyBoots Apr 2013 #119

Whatever blows your billh58 Apr 2013 #122

I don't know what part of our nation you live in Progressive dog Apr 2013 #173

No one NEEDS a gun sandy78 Apr 2013 #27

How so you plan to take away 300 million firearms from citizens? nt. premium Apr 2013 #28

Easy...do like Australia did and have a buyback then make it a felony to own a gun sandy78 Apr 2013 #30

Good grief! HappyMe Apr 2013 #31

Australia took away 600,000 guns JohnnyBoots Apr 2013 #32

I vote this dumbest post ever laundry_queen Apr 2013 #97

Neither of those JohnnyBoots Apr 2013 #98

You second amendment is a giant smokescreen laundry_queen Apr 2013 #105

Yes, the Bill of Rights JohnnyBoots Apr 2013 #107

Well, I'm reading what you type laundry_queen Apr 2013 #110

It's kind of the way it's written. NT JohnnyBoots Apr 2013 #112

Ok, premium Apr 2013 #34

GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ DainBramaged Apr 2013 #37

I'm not worried in the least about it, premium Apr 2013 #41

GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ DainBramaged Apr 2013 #53

About what I expected from you. premium Apr 2013 #58

Hows this, I clicked the ignore button DainBramaged Apr 2013 #160

That is funny stuff right there. aikoaiko Apr 2013 #195

Apparently, the first step is for about 100 or so on this board to incessantly insult Democrats and AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #56

That's interesting, premium Apr 2013 #61

You do realize that you JohnnyBoots Apr 2013 #29

Why on earth would "armed confiscation" take place if these guns were made illegal? Robb Apr 2013 #45

Just picking your brain, premium Apr 2013 #48

As a Congressman, Lincoln was voted out of office for his criticism of the Mexican War. nt Robb Apr 2013 #50

This I did not know. nt. premium Apr 2013 #57

You'd be in violation JohnnyBoots Apr 2013 #62

Ugh. Seriously? Seeking Serenity Apr 2013 #74

You gonna come pick them up? rl6214 Apr 2013 #132

No you won't. nt hack89 Apr 2013 #155

Who is this we you speak of? premium Apr 2013 #192

You have written a passionate and apparently well-thought argument Jenoch Apr 2013 #33

? geckosfeet Apr 2013 #35

yes Duckhunter935 Apr 2013 #42

I have also noticed Duckhunter935 Apr 2013 #43

Perhaps you should start a "Gunz are teh awesome" group. Robb Apr 2013 #46

Nope I do not Duckhunter935 Apr 2013 #67

The Ivory Tower JohnnyBoots Apr 2013 #60

it would be funny if it weren't so sad G_j Apr 2013 #47

Why is it stupid? Because you say so? geckosfeet Apr 2013 #78

and way over 200 people G_j Apr 2013 #87

Hysteria. That's what. geckosfeet Apr 2013 #88

Every single trap? Uzair Apr 2013 #127

He responded to the claptrap pintobean Apr 2013 #134

Japan involuntarily confines the mentally ill kudzu22 Apr 2013 #39

This message was self-deleted by its author davidn3600 Apr 2013 #49

People REALLY need to stop comparing America to other countries davidn3600 Apr 2013 #51

oH, SO IT'S THE FAULT OF VIDEO GAMES AND THE MOVIES NOT GUNS? DainBramaged Apr 2013 #55

another response I love around here Duckhunter935 Apr 2013 #68

Here, enjoy a dog jogging, we don't have to persuade anybody that's where you're all wrong DainBramaged Apr 2013 #72

That is cruel Duckhunter935 Apr 2013 #75

"Guns are death, ergo you folks love guns ergo you love death" geckosfeet Apr 2013 #82

Go pat your gun buddies back in the gungeon DainBramaged Apr 2013 #90

In other words, it was never about having a "conversation"... beevul Apr 2013 #153

Gunz and more gunz DainBramaged Apr 2013 #157

and many of us Duckhunter935 Apr 2013 #161

You are engaging in projection. beevul Apr 2013 #167

What horseshit DainBramaged Apr 2013 #171

Calling something bullshit isn't a rebuttal. beevul Apr 2013 #175

We do not need to........... Duckhunter935 Apr 2013 #156

Repeat after me, we want the carnage to end, you want more guns DainBramaged Apr 2013 #159

sorry to disappoint you Duckhunter935 Apr 2013 #164

No...you completely missed my point davidn3600 Apr 2013 #69

They play the same fucking games around the word DainBramaged Apr 2013 #162

The Americans are not like the others trap Uzair Apr 2013 #129

Shutting out all opinions other than your own makes you closed-minded davidn3600 Apr 2013 #146

Constantly changing the subject makes you the loser Uzair Apr 2013 #165

Most excellent. Hoyt Apr 2013 #52

Excellent post. You covered it pretty much from A to Z. BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #59

The NRA has successfully framed the debate. Captain Stern Apr 2013 #73

No - nothing happened because to enable national bg checks would cost money. geckosfeet Apr 2013 #85

I respectfully disagree Captain Stern Apr 2013 #142

oh yes. i have had similar experiences with some folks. But in any case, the systems must be built. geckosfeet Apr 2013 #179

Excellent post. Union Scribe Apr 2013 #130

Wrong. 99Forever Apr 2013 #149

I think you're wrong (at least in part) Captain Stern Apr 2013 #168

The 2nd Amendment is not a gun nut frame. aikoaiko Apr 2013 #92

Wow, this post is pretty far out there. Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #96

Nice post Alva. Very interesting - have to read federalist 46. geckosfeet Apr 2013 #109

Ah, this NRA billh58 Apr 2013 #121

Aren't you JohnnyBoots Apr 2013 #123

Wow, you're not giving the the OP any slack at all, are you? bluedigger Apr 2013 #137

The Americans are not like the others trap Uzair Apr 2013 #152

Yeah, let us know when you start working on getting the 2nd repealed. rl6214 Apr 2013 #120

The second amendment trap Uzair Apr 2013 #133

I have nothing? rl6214 Apr 2013 #193

Now see what you've done? billh58 Apr 2013 #131

What's funny is that I listed everything they would say Uzair Apr 2013 #135

You got it. billh58 Apr 2013 #139

I agree with you completely. AndyA Apr 2013 #136

I don't think Japan is a good example, unless your secretly advocating a racist agenda pediatricmedic Apr 2013 #138

Ah, how about billh58 Apr 2013 #140

Nice try pediatricmedic Apr 2013 #143

Uh, the OP is about billh58 Apr 2013 #145

The Americans are not like the others trap Uzair Apr 2013 #150

Gun violence exists separately from all other violence trap pediatricmedic Apr 2013 #154

Gun violence is more lethal than other kinds of violence. DanTex Apr 2013 #169

True and False pediatricmedic Apr 2013 #176

I'm not saying guns are the root cause. DanTex Apr 2013 #178

Have you read some of the other stuff? pediatricmedic Apr 2013 #182

Get back to me when any of that junk science gets peer reviewed. DanTex Apr 2013 #185

It is still highly subjective pediatricmedic Apr 2013 #187

All the more reason to be wary of right-wing bloggers and junk science with false data. DanTex Apr 2013 #188

Stop pretending that you care about violence Uzair Apr 2013 #174

I do care, it is part of my job pediatricmedic Apr 2013 #184

Mexico, Russia, Kenya. Really? DanTex Apr 2013 #189

But they are valid pediatricmedic Apr 2013 #191

LOL, you might find the relevance of finding 2/3 of Congress and 38 states to do as you please tritsofme Apr 2013 #144

They are trying harder than ever to dilute the message and lock down this thread DainBramaged Apr 2013 #163

Gun nuts are running out of time sandy78 Apr 2013 #172

Welcome Duckhunter935 Apr 2013 #180

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