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MellowDem

(5,018 posts)
36. For Fuck's Sake, "Anti-religious hatred and bigotry"? What ignorant bullshit!
Sat Apr 27, 2013, 04:27 PM
Apr 2013

There is NOTHING WRONG with criticizing religion. Given that Islam and Christianity, the two biggest, are both inherently misogynistic and oppressive in a whole host of ways through their religious text, and given that their holy books have disgusting, vile, horrible shit all throughout them, YOU WILL hear all sorts of criticism of these belief systems on a progressive forum.

It is NOT "being an asshole" to criticize these belief systems.

The FACT that quite a few Christians and Muslims in the developed world have had to come to grips with their belief systems and moderate their beliefs through constant intellectual dishonesty and cognitive dissonance doesn't change what the belief systems are, it doesn't change what is written in the religious texts, and it doesn't change the flaw in faith-based beliefs.

Your "concern" is nothing more than a defense of the millenia-long MASSIVE PRIVILEGE religion gets in comparison to every idea, philosophy, or belief system out there as somehow being protected from harsh criticism. Well FUCK THAT.

I hear nobody complaining on here about incredibly harsh criticism of the Republican Party platform. Do you know why? Because it's perfectly rational and relevant. What make religions special? Anyone? Bueller?

There is no such thing as "anti-religious hatred", that's like saying "anti-austerity hatred" or some other made up crap. It's a way to try to label criticism of an idea as somehow impolite. And there certainly isn't anything bigoted with rationally criticizing a belief system.

As for the story, I'm glad that most Christians and Muslims and Jews etc. in the US pretty much don't believe most of or follow most of their own belief system or religious texts, that they cherry-pick the progressive sentiments and ignore the conservative ones in many instances, because if they were more consistent, it would be a pretty terrible place. But I have no problem pointing out that their belief system is still terrible, and their use of intellectual dishonesty, cognitive dissonance, and irrational apologetics does nothing to change that fact, it proves the point.

Faith-based thinking is dangerous and bad for society, and I will always point that out, and it's not being an asshole to do so. Calling those who fairly and rationally criticize belief systems "assholes" and "bigots" is stupid ignorant shit.

Why won't I believe it? drm604 Apr 2013 #1
This is aimed at the people who don't think that way. nt redqueen Apr 2013 #3
Obviously, it's not so obvious to some people. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2013 #6
Too bad Tamerlan wasn't around these guys. dkf Apr 2013 #2
Cause we all know Tamerlan Tsarnaev is the nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #5
No he isn't. He is generally atypical of American Muslims as is his mother. dkf Apr 2013 #7
How Americans believe it? nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #8
I often disagree with the poster you are poking, but in this case so far he's ok, not sure why uppityperson Apr 2013 #10
I am not poking, but you know what? nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #11
Broad brushing one person. Oh kay. eom uppityperson Apr 2013 #12
I think perhaps posting about what an extremist would do, redqueen Apr 2013 #21
Isn't your post and the rally partly a response to what happened? dkf Apr 2013 #25
The rally was on March 24. tammywammy Apr 2013 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author Dragonfli Apr 2013 #20
I don't think McVeigh was religious at all. So if he was raised Christian... Honeycombe8 Apr 2013 #52
Ok, how about Rudolph, who went after an abortion clinic? nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #54
But that's going after a source of the disagreement (if that's what you'd call it). Honeycombe8 Apr 2013 #57
Ironically you made my point nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #58
FWIW, I got what you meant here and down thread Turborama Apr 2013 #16
It happens nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #24
k&r HappyMe Apr 2013 #4
You have the highest post count zeeland Apr 2013 #9
Excuse me - I have every right to be an asshole... lame54 Apr 2013 #13
wrong. it's not 'anti-religious hatred' anymore than it is 'bigotry'.. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #14
+1000 Canuckistanian Apr 2013 #44
I hope their speaking out can help start a sweeping change within their religion Marrah_G Apr 2013 #15
A sweeping change? FuzzyRabbit Apr 2013 #29
Yes, a sweeping change Marrah_G Apr 2013 #34
When you look at women's inequality around the world, religion is most often the root cause. FuzzyRabbit Apr 2013 #40
I didn't say Islam was alone in this. Marrah_G Apr 2013 #41
Thanks. Confirmed by this Pew poll. pampango Apr 2013 #46
no but there are shades of 'wrong' and islam is *more* wrong.. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #47
Recommended. H2O Man Apr 2013 #17
check these guys out ninehippies Apr 2013 #18
Oh yes, thank you! redqueen Apr 2013 #23
muslims have Teabaggers too sigmasix Apr 2013 #19
tell me.. where is that line then? Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #48
agreed- moderation is the responsibility sigmasix Apr 2013 #89
Ah, now I see why watoos Apr 2013 #22
Thank you for this Blue_In_AK Apr 2013 #26
you gave as good as you got, as i recall. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #49
Just defending my family. Blue_In_AK Apr 2013 #55
Thank you from a Christian wryter2000 Apr 2013 #27
healthy big rec here! K&R! Whisp Apr 2013 #28
Excellent, excellent point. redqueen Apr 2013 #42
Thank's to show that! Nt Sand Wind Apr 2013 #31
This is hopeful. Quantess Apr 2013 #32
Reformed Islam! I like it. Politicub Apr 2013 #33
Thank you for posting this. Good to see. nt City Lights Apr 2013 #35
For Fuck's Sake, "Anti-religious hatred and bigotry"? What ignorant bullshit! MellowDem Apr 2013 #36
Heh, heh. 'MellowDem' . And I agree with you wholeheartedly. toby jo Apr 2013 #38
I agree. Apophis Apr 2013 #39
I rec'd for the hopeful OP pic, but I'll kick for this excellent response too. appal_jack Apr 2013 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author redqueen Apr 2013 #45
"Islamic culture"? SunSeeker Apr 2013 #64
Did I say "bigotry?" appal_jack Apr 2013 #68
+1 .. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #51
Wish I could kick and rec a reply. SunSeeker Apr 2013 #62
No, YOUR post is ignorant bullshit CrawlingChaos Apr 2013 #65
Meh, atheists are more hated in the US than Muslims Fumesucker Apr 2013 #66
No, he's not spewing total bullshit... redqueen Apr 2013 #73
the poster has created a construct where Muslims can't win CrawlingChaos Apr 2013 #88
All religions are just excuses for the behavior of the religious toward others. Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #74
The problem with organized religion is that it's inherently corruptible Major Nikon Apr 2013 #86
Agree with you 1000% (eom) usrbs Apr 2013 #70
We're in desperate need... zentrum Apr 2013 #37
It's these sorts of things that will help change people's hearts about Muslims. Honeycombe8 Apr 2013 #50
That's a good first step. Good for them. Step number two would be Universal Human Rights. idwiyo Apr 2013 #53
I would also like that information and I invite the OP to PM that information to me. Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #67
Absolutely, because there is no Universal without LGBTQ equality. idwiyo Apr 2013 #72
K&R. i'd like to see more of this. DesertFlower Apr 2013 #56
Faith,Religion,or God does Not make you a Good Person -->YOU DO! basspro1o1 Apr 2013 #59
nice. k&r robinlynne Apr 2013 #60
To be an a**hole is a God given right. thesquanderer Apr 2013 #61
. blkmusclmachine Apr 2013 #63
Why wouldn't I beleive it? 99Forever Apr 2013 #69
What's "ridiculous" is the fact that you can't seem to figure out who wrote the title. redqueen Apr 2013 #76
I know who CHOSE to post though... 99Forever Apr 2013 #80
lol redqueen Apr 2013 #82
Any women at the protest? LOL glowing Apr 2013 #71
Let's break it down further ala Amina Tyler. randome Apr 2013 #81
You need to look up the definition of "patriarchy". nt redqueen Apr 2013 #84
I guess I too could be considered an "agnostic Episcopalian." dotymed Apr 2013 #75
While woman's right is still an issue here... Ter Apr 2013 #77
Why would it be hard to believe? Maybe because it's so rare. randome Apr 2013 #78
Humanity: individual results may vary booley Apr 2013 #79
I believe it... wet.hen88 Apr 2013 #83
The Half-A-Dozen Man March tabasco Apr 2013 #85
K&R, Thank You! smirkymonkey Apr 2013 #87
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