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CapnSteve

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62. You are right, guns should be regulated just like cars...

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 11:03 PM

Apr 2013

...and it would not infringe the 2nd Amendment (as commonly interpreted for 100s of years by several supreme courts...). The nutshell is rights like the one in the 2nd Amendment are "common" or "community" rights (rights that are held by a group of people - a well regulated state militia in this case). They are ALWAYS trumped by individual rights (the most well known: life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness).

OF COURSE, we should license, insure and register guns like we do automobiles; after all, guns kill more people in the US than cars!

The most important part of this is making gun makers liable for the damage their products do - those high capacity clips and ARs would disappear from the market in a perfect storm of lawsuits.

Keep speaking the truth, Robyn66. Don't let the trolls get you down!

Cap'n Steve

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Please tell me what would be so bad to have guns treated exactly like cars [View all] Robyn66 Apr 2013 OP

Because God didn't invent cars, but God did write the Second Amendment. It is infallible. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #1

Thank you for clearing that up! Robyn66 Apr 2013 #2

Really, your hyperbole is ridiculous etherealtruth Apr 2013 #14

I suppose... Pelican Apr 2013 #3

I want an honest answer if you have one. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #5

Lets see... Pelican Apr 2013 #15

The "well regulated militia" is always left out of this 2nd amendment talk Robyn66 Apr 2013 #20

No ones talking about black helicopters in this discussion... Pelican Apr 2013 #25

Ok you win Robyn66 Apr 2013 #26

I'm just kind of dissapointed... Pelican Apr 2013 #43

You are right, guns should be regulated just like cars... CapnSteve Apr 2013 #62

So one can only worship or speak freely in groups? That's news to me. Flatulo Apr 2013 #66

All rights are subject to reasonable regulation. The Supreme Court recently ruled that JDPriestly Apr 2013 #81

If, after Newtown, we cannot agree on what reasonable restrictions are, then I'm sure we'll be Flatulo Apr 2013 #90

Actually, lots of cars are confiscated under the property forfeiture laws. If you get caught Flatulo Apr 2013 #65

My reading tells me that firearms were invented for use in gaining advantage in wars. That mostly AlinPA Apr 2013 #38

Sometimes yes.. Sometimes no... Pelican Apr 2013 #42

No, but firearms were invented primarily for wars. That involves killing. Today, they continue to AlinPA Apr 2013 #50

Again I ask... so what? Pelican Apr 2013 #55

I'm not talking about changing anything here. Just making the point again about the primary use of AlinPA Apr 2013 #59

Fair enough... Pelican Apr 2013 #61

Sorry but this argument fails based on the fact that I can't find the word "privledge" anywhere rwsanders Apr 2013 #53

Really? You're going to jump to the typo sniping? How brave and intellectual of you... Pelican Apr 2013 #58

Don't know what you mean by "typo sniping" but as a self proclaimed gun nut, if I were you rwsanders Apr 2013 #108

I'll explain Barney style then... Pelican Apr 2013 #116

There wasn't anywhere in my post where I attacked a typo... rwsanders Apr 2013 #117

Then you'll miss out on... Pelican Apr 2013 #118

Aren't vehicles private property? LWolf Apr 2013 #110

You don't have to register and insure cars. ileus Apr 2013 #4

That's true. Mariana Apr 2013 #6

But many, many people are killed by guns in the home. n/t Orsino Apr 2013 #7

But many, many people are killed by cars, whether registered or not. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #11

And if we stopped registering automobiles and drivers? What then? n/t Orsino Apr 2013 #36

The answer is that a lot of people would stop voting for Democrats as they did in the 1994 AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #48

Ah. Do nothing. Orsino Apr 2013 #97

Nothing will prevent all deaths treestar Apr 2013 #99

do not have to do any of that Duckhunter935 Apr 2013 #101

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2013 #119

What percentage of your car usage is confined to non-public roads? Paladin Apr 2013 #23

For the Jeep about 95% ileus Apr 2013 #33

Pretty unique circumstances, wouldn't you say? Paladin Apr 2013 #40

Yep. Too bad adam lanza decided to take his mom's gun out in public. jmg257 Apr 2013 #30

Do you REALLY want guns treated like cars? hooptie Apr 2013 #8

Sounds fine to me. ZombieHorde Apr 2013 #28

There are potential holes to be poked in the OP, for sure. nomorenomore08 Apr 2013 #70

Deal!!! Iggo Apr 2013 #115

For one, it would be very difficult demwing Apr 2013 #9

Enumerated rights get treated differently the chattel ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #10

Are you listing things about cars or guns? Thinkingabout Apr 2013 #12

Both ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #46

I only consider the automotive analogy for the method of the licensing Robyn66 Apr 2013 #13

Are you willing to Federalize all of the gun issues? ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #52

You support a gun license that is good everywhere in the country? Cool. nt hack89 Apr 2013 #16

You're right. truebluegreen Apr 2013 #21

Licensing owners is the way to go hack89 Apr 2013 #24

A definite improvement, truebluegreen Apr 2013 #27

That is never going to happen. nt hack89 Apr 2013 #29

Probably not. truebluegreen Apr 2013 #31

There is no constitutional right to own a car. Honeycombe8 Apr 2013 #17

If you are interested in analogies, to borrow from your phraseology, AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #18

what would be so bad about it is that cars are not designed to kill people, guns are. bowens43 Apr 2013 #19

yet Robyn66 Apr 2013 #22

Yes--and the folks complaining about the analogy are missing the point lolly Apr 2013 #34

In some ways yes, in some ways no ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #47

They are where I live (nt) Robyn66 Apr 2013 #72

Most likely not ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #91

my concern is not about junk cars Robyn66 Apr 2013 #93

You missed the point entirely ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #95

No, they really aren't. N/T beevul Apr 2013 #77

Yet cars kill more people annually than guns in the US. nt NickB79 Apr 2013 #35

Cars kill far fewer people than they used to lolly Apr 2013 #60

Guns kill fewer than half as many people as they did 20 years ago Recursion Apr 2013 #86

Oh, OK then. lolly Apr 2013 #100

No. Cars are designed to move 2000 Kg objects at high velocity, guns to propel 2 gram objects kappa maki Apr 2013 #39

So... Pelican Apr 2013 #49

I wouldn't have a problem with it. n/t doc03 Apr 2013 #32

You may have to register your cars but there is no chance that the government ... spin Apr 2013 #37

Wow. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #79

No problem. (n/t) spin Apr 2013 #102

Except that when car registration was proposed, opponents claimed jeff47 Apr 2013 #104

Interesting. ... spin Apr 2013 #113

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2013 #41

In addition to other comments; Do you register your car at a federal or state level? The Straight Story Apr 2013 #44

Ok Robyn66 Apr 2013 #73

My reply The Straight Story Apr 2013 #74

My opinion Robyn66 Apr 2013 #80

Well, sort of The Straight Story Apr 2013 #82

I agree with almost everything you are saying Robyn66 Apr 2013 #92

Are you suggesting... beevul Apr 2013 #78

Drivers licenses are federally standardized, and are compiled in a nationally accessible database. baldguy Apr 2013 #45

I still can't seem to find the constitutional guarantee of the right to drive a car kappa maki Apr 2013 #51

People have the right to freedom of movement under the Constitution, subject to certain regulations baldguy Apr 2013 #56

Why would safety standards ban most firearms? justanidea Apr 2013 #63

Which fed govt agency oversees product safety for firearms? baldguy Apr 2013 #69

Let's see what regulating guns like cars would look like: justanidea Apr 2013 #54

I don't know about the car analogy (it fails in some ways), but owning a gun should not be NYC Liberal Apr 2013 #57

I don't have a driver's license Silver Swan Apr 2013 #64

The right is not absolute. Stonepounder Apr 2013 #67

So many arguments with one simple answer ednky Apr 2013 #68

For the moment sarisataka Apr 2013 #87

Not a perfect analogy, but decent food for thought at least. nomorenomore08 Apr 2013 #71

Guns are not cars. rrneck Apr 2013 #75

Your plan will not stop people from killing each other with guns. Stretch714 Apr 2013 #76

... ellisonz Apr 2013 #83

And what about the equally dramatic drop in gun deaths over the same period? (nt) Recursion Apr 2013 #85

Many of the same factors (especially improved medical care). ellisonz Apr 2013 #88

I just did an OP on that Recursion Apr 2013 #89

And yet cars killed more than twice the people killed by assholes with guns. Stretch714 Apr 2013 #106

Really? Really? Really? ellisonz Apr 2013 #107

So car deaths would go down if we limited the number of days people could drive there cars. Stretch714 Apr 2013 #109

lol ellisonz Apr 2013 #111

What is funny? Stretch714 Apr 2013 #114

So: no waiting period, no background check, you only need a license for public use Recursion Apr 2013 #84

this totally misses the point of what i have been saying Robyn66 Apr 2013 #94

I'm for a Federal Firearms license, personally Recursion Apr 2013 #96

Or you could stop desperately clinging to being over-literal. jeff47 Apr 2013 #105

No argument here treestar Apr 2013 #98

Because WOLVERINES!!!!!! jeff47 Apr 2013 #103

Good OP. Good thread. n/t Agschmid Apr 2013 #112