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hfojvt

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10. it's not new here

Sun Apr 28, 2013, 11:29 AM

Apr 2013

a lot more people were jumping at shadows during the Bush Presidency.

The "Is it fascism yet?" threads were very popular. Bush was always just one tiny step away from declaring martial law in an executive order so he could invade Iran. In fact, it was argued that Bush DID sign an executive order allowing him to arrest demonstrators, people who protested the Iraq war, and I went around and around with some people on that after I read the executive order.

Given the nature of this place though, I am not sure how many of them are still here.

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An epiphany: Those who claim the U.S. is now a police state [View all] nobodyspecial Apr 2013 OP

Why are you choosing not to live in an unnecessary state of perpetual fear and outrage? BeyondGeography Apr 2013 #1

Communist bacteria. Duh. (nt) Posteritatis Apr 2013 #43

I've been asked questions with similar insinuations by climate doomers & Obama bashers. AverageJoe90 Apr 2013 #64

Dark pessimism on the Left can be just as irrational as sunny optimism on the Right BeyondGeography Apr 2013 #66

You mean this isn't true? nobodyspecial Apr 2013 #71

Geeze...try the eastern front, 1945 BeyondGeography Apr 2013 #73

Very true, and in fact, I can testify to that.....n/t AverageJoe90 Apr 2013 #78

I am curious as to Newest Reality Apr 2013 #2

Beat me to it. Good comments. +100 n/t arendt Apr 2013 #5

Which is worse ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2013 #8

Another "black and white" choice. Not biting. You should try some nuance. n/t arendt Apr 2013 #9

I understand nuance ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2013 #11

Unbelievable. You say the LEFT is using fear! arendt Apr 2013 #21

You're probably right ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2013 #24

Bingo! nobodyspecial Apr 2013 #28

OK, we agree to disagree. But I do agree about fear. n/t arendt Apr 2013 #32

Definitely. thank you, 1StrongBlackMan.. and do Cha Apr 2013 #80

Yep ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2013 #3

it's not new here hfojvt Apr 2013 #10

True ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2013 #15

Hmm... nobodyspecial Apr 2013 #17

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2013 #22

You three should be a little less obvious... arendt Apr 2013 #23

Wow, you sure have studied your debate tactics. nobodyspecial Apr 2013 #27

I gotta give you points for brazen arendt Apr 2013 #30

Just to ask DonCoquixote Apr 2013 #77

Let's turn flame-bait into a useful discussion arendt Apr 2013 #4

+1 Junkdrawer Apr 2013 #6

+2 AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #54

Oops. Dropped the diary link for my quote. Here it is. arendt Apr 2013 #7

Funny you should bring that up nobodyspecial Apr 2013 #12

Quite a difference. Plus, nobody declared "Martial Law." Those are RW DevonRex Apr 2013 #61

Being wanted for "failure to appear"??? You're kidding, right? OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #81

An excellent post. CrispyQ Apr 2013 #13

The OP may sincerely believe what he says, but that is exactly the reaction... arendt Apr 2013 #19

Yep. Beware of the boiling-frog incrementalism. jsr Apr 2013 #18

that isn't really new hfojvt Apr 2013 #25

+10,000 Lint Head Apr 2013 #34

I just posted "Are we a police state yet?" Th1onein Apr 2013 #14

Not just yours, but the many that have appeared here recently nobodyspecial Apr 2013 #16

I don't like your micro-focus arendt Apr 2013 #20

So, let's hold up events that make our case nobodyspecial Apr 2013 #26

"what happened in Boston was not a lockdown" arendt Apr 2013 #29

Didn't answer the question. How many times BEFORE Boston did you hear about this? n/t arendt Apr 2013 #31

I guess it depends ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2013 #33

Wow, seriously - helicopters a regular event? arendt Apr 2013 #37

Well, a helicopter flew over my house twice MineralMan Apr 2013 #41

So, where were you during the RNC convention? nebenaube Apr 2013 #79

Cleveland, Ohio ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2013 #57

Yes. You are right. arendt Apr 2013 #62

No police state, but "the lockdown, with circling helicopters and heavily armed patrols... Comrade Grumpy Apr 2013 #45

Are we to infer JimDandy Apr 2013 #49

Yeah, I kind of figured it was the one that triggered your response. Th1onein Apr 2013 #72

I walk down the streets in my community all the time. MineralMan Apr 2013 #40

Try being a young man of color. Your mileage may vary. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2013 #42

I'm pinkish. However, I live in a very diverse neighborhood, MineralMan Apr 2013 #44

Right now, there is a civil trial going on in New York City. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2013 #46

Yes. I'll be interested to see how that civil suit turns out. MineralMan Apr 2013 #47

The fishing fuzz. They're the worst, man. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2013 #50

Not the ones I've met. They're a great source for MineralMan Apr 2013 #52

I was kidding, but now that you mention it: Comrade Grumpy Apr 2013 #55

Yeah, that occurs here, too. MineralMan Apr 2013 #58

I am a paleface. Savannahmann Apr 2013 #87

This will be good.....so your claim is minorities are not unfairly targeted by the police? Wow! n-t Logical Apr 2013 #51

I've made no claim at all. I simply reported what I've observed. MineralMan Apr 2013 #53

america love it or leave it. which political agenda likes to spout that phrase? nt msongs Apr 2013 #35

I've alwasy thought that the essence of oppression was necesarily economic bhikkhu Apr 2013 #36

If it goes over your head, you must have stopped paying attention 20 years ago. arendt Apr 2013 #39

Most of us are slaves to an irrational economic system. Our choices are severely limited. hunter Apr 2013 #38

Not quite YET, but take a look at the neocon post 9/11 TREND: Fire Walk With Me Apr 2013 #48

+1 Go Vols Apr 2013 #59

Thanks for your links Lifelong Protester Apr 2013 #63

Strangely enough, the US government through DHS and FBI are the actual terrorists: Fire Walk With Me Apr 2013 #67

Yes, they are keeping a giant database of battery purchases and funneling it to the CIA nobodyspecial Apr 2013 #74

What a ridiculous attempt at ... 99Forever Apr 2013 #56

I guess you just declare victory and walk away. nobodyspecial Apr 2013 #75

Agreement is no imprimatur of truth. Consensus reality is only that. n/t Fire Walk With Me Apr 2013 #82

There's people who will agree with almost anything. 99Forever Apr 2013 #84

That's what they WANT you to think!1! JNelson6563 Apr 2013 #60

Very true, Julie. The guys at E & E in particular could really learn something..... AverageJoe90 Apr 2013 #65

Agreed nobodyspecial Apr 2013 #70

I love this quote! jazzimov Apr 2013 #68

We may have our problems but we are no police state treestar Apr 2013 #69

Post removed Post removed Apr 2013 #76

I agree. I've traveled to police states. This is no police state. stevenleser Apr 2013 #83

So they exist -- why do YOU care? Pholus Apr 2013 #85

The purpose of civil rights is not what happens most of the time Savannahmann Apr 2013 #86