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fasttense

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34. I agree some kind of exploitation will always exist
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 11:34 AM
Apr 2013

but institutionalized, authorized and government supported exploitation of workers (the end result of all capitalism) does not have to exist. There are other economic systems that are far less abusive to workers. We have them in America right now. The so-called "self employed" are usually NOT capitalists. There are worker directed businesses very similar to co-ops that are not exploitive. There are major computer software corporations in existence (Valve comes to mind) in the US that are worker owned and directed and are not exploitive.

I did not mean to say that those who were pushing for better treatment of slaves were also pushing for an end to slavery. That is contradictory. There were, before the civil war, people who tried to make the slaves life better. They were mostly in the South and were probably due to pressure from abolitionists. For example: "Ten Southern codes made it a crime to mistreat a slave. ... Under the Louisiana Civil Code of 1825 (art. 192), if a master was “convicted of cruel treatment,” the judge could order the sale of the mistreated slave, presumably to a better master." But of course who gets to decide what mistreatment was? And the definition of mistreatment got looser and looser and loopholes and exemptions were frequent.

Also many Preachers taught white masters responsibility and the concept of appropriate paternal treatment, using Christianity to improve conditions for slaves, and to treat them "justly and fairly”. This included having self-control, not disciplining under anger, not threatening, and ultimately fostering Christianity among their slaves by example.

So there were those who thought making the slave's life better was a better way to go then to outright ban all slavery.

Regulation of capitalism is temporary and a stop gap measure. Every time you have well regulated capitalism, the rich capitalist fight night and day to turn over those regulations. They push for loopholes and take legal and illegal actions to do away with most controls. FDR had a system of well regulated capitalism but since Raygun, those regulations have for all practical purposes disappeared.

See the rich capitalist gets to exploit the worker and pays the worker a whole lot less than the value of his labor. So the rich capitalist gets richer and richer, while pushing for lower and lower wages for the workers. The rich capitalist then uses those riches to buy up the political and legal system. Workers on the other hand get poorer and poorer as the rich squeeze their wages ever smaller. The worker does not have the money to fight back. So, why leave that wealth in the hands of capitalist who are just going to use it to get more and more exploitive?

Currently most workplaces are ruled by a boss, CEO or manager. The worker does what he is told, when he is told. The worker has no vote on the work he is doing. If you bring democracy to the work place, then that worker would have to have some input or vote in the work and the outcome of the work. Most workplaces are dictatorships, I think they can all become democracies.

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This isn't the first time in recent history, either; Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #1
The Tarzeen fire is the most recent before this, but it wasn't singular either cali Apr 2013 #2
Horrible. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #3
Outcomes like these are all but inevitable under capitalism. fasttense Apr 2013 #4
Look, we're not getting rid of capitalism anytime soon but cali Apr 2013 #5
We have. sulphurdunn Apr 2013 #20
Well, they thought the same things about kings and royalty fasttense Apr 2013 #25
try you are never going to get rid of exploitation as long as there are human beings. cali Apr 2013 #29
I agree some kind of exploitation will always exist fasttense Apr 2013 #34
what do you replace it with? Why don't you think strongly regulated capitalism/socialism cali Apr 2013 #37
You replace it with worker controlled businesses fasttense Apr 2013 #47
I'm with you NJCher Apr 2013 #45
Oh yes the one in Spain I think is called Mondragon fasttense Apr 2013 #48
that is so cool! NJCher Apr 2013 #49
One man trapped from the waist down pleaded for 3 days to be pulled out of the rubble. pacalo Apr 2013 #6
and let's be clear: "told to come in" meant fired if you don't. cali Apr 2013 #7
Most certainly. It's sickening, cali. pacalo Apr 2013 #8
sickening, heartbreaking cali Apr 2013 #9
In light of the building collapse & the problems that caused it, Sears' response is breathtaking... pacalo Apr 2013 #15
yes, and dotymed Apr 2013 #12
could you give examples? cali Apr 2013 #14
Yes Cali. dotymed Apr 2013 #28
thank you. I know that pre-coffee fugue. cali Apr 2013 #30
Sorry....see coffee...lol dotymed Apr 2013 #32
You should also doublespace between paragraphs, especially in long posts. nt tblue37 Apr 2013 #46
This is just so absolutely heartbreaking. smirkymonkey Apr 2013 #23
And I believe these are the conditions the Republicans are salivating to bring to this country. pacalo Apr 2013 #33
I tend to get this Newest Reality Apr 2013 #10
I know just how you feel. cali Apr 2013 #11
Same here! Newest Reality Apr 2013 #18
well, I'm actually not just emerging from a consumer cocoon cali Apr 2013 #19
Oh, then Newest Reality Apr 2013 #21
That note explains why they go into unsafe buildings on the orders of malaise Apr 2013 #13
I hope there was a post script Shankapotomus Apr 2013 #16
yes they do. and the note makes clear why they do cali Apr 2013 #17
That is heart-breaking! There has to be a global movement to boycott these Corporations sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #22
+100 n/t whathehell Apr 2013 #24
+1. cali Apr 2013 #31
Heartbreaking and sickening... Sekhmets Daughter Apr 2013 #26
Where are the arrests in West, Texas? Sedona Apr 2013 #27
^^^Most Important Post of this Thread^^^^ bvar22 Apr 2013 #42
No we don't. and it's obscene and ignorant to suggest that cali Apr 2013 #43
Then WHERE are the arrests in West Texas. bvar22 Apr 2013 #44
Fuck Wall St. raouldukelives Apr 2013 #35
And the saddest thing is...Is that this will change nothing. alphafemale Apr 2013 #36
I hope not. You're probably right but cali Apr 2013 #38
Never letting go....another photo allegedly from this hideous tragedy Triana Apr 2013 #39
that's... hideously beautiful cali Apr 2013 #40
I'd like to blow that up and paste it all over the windows of a prominent cali Apr 2013 #41
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