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rrneck

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59. I'll say it again.

Sun Apr 28, 2013, 10:53 AM

Apr 2013

Since only a tiny fraction of the firearms in existence are used improperly a universal background check requirement will have a negligible impact on the further reduction of their improper use

Accurate data regarding the use of firearms for self defense is impossible to obtain unless you know a way to determine how many people ended a potential assault by brandishing a gun without firing it or reporting it to the police or how many assailants decided not to initiate an assault because they thought they might get shot.

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Are we doing ourselves any favors repeating this 90% number? [View all] supernaut Apr 2013 OP

Are you familiar with statistics and how they relate to polling? nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #1

I would say no. neverforget Apr 2013 #80

What do you mean when you say "our cause"? Robb Apr 2013 #2

"Your country, mine, every other country in the world, has the same cause" hfojvt Apr 2013 #11

here's my research...several polls spanone Apr 2013 #3

We? LOL. DanTex Apr 2013 #4

Take a course in statistics and polling and get back to "us." 99Forever Apr 2013 #5

You seem to be complaining that only 1,772 came up with the 90% figure. lob1 Apr 2013 #6

How can anyone, but a fool or felon, be against background checks. Hoyt Apr 2013 #7

here's the thing about polling hfojvt Apr 2013 #8

It's not exactly that simple, though, because demographics matter. hughee99 Apr 2013 #35

90% speaks to the disparity on wealth upaloopa Apr 2013 #9

So, the thing with polls is that you only ask a few thousand people Recursion Apr 2013 #10

So, you'd rather the poll be conducted in Montana, North Dakota, or Texas? RC Apr 2013 #12

If you want a true representation of ALL Americans...then yes. davidn3600 Apr 2013 #13

I don't have the tabs in front of me but I remember this poll included 0 from big sky Recursion Apr 2013 #14

So another polling expert heard from Progressive dog Apr 2013 #45

what poll? the op mentions a poll, you mention a poll but where is it? where's the link? spanone Apr 2013 #19

Here you go. supernaut Apr 2013 #36

multiple polls showed well over 80% Progressive dog Apr 2013 #15

What are you talking about? Deep13 Apr 2013 #16

*yawn* Skittles Apr 2013 #29

I thought that might be the case... Deep13 Apr 2013 #62

The 90% figure is probably accurate. rrneck Apr 2013 #17

Would you explain the price to Progressive dog Apr 2013 #46

This is a repost of an old OP rrneck Apr 2013 #53

Every time I read a long post like this, there is always the bottom line Progressive dog Apr 2013 #54

Of course murders, the suicides, the accidental shootings rrneck Apr 2013 #56

Look around and you can find the number of self defense uses of guns Progressive dog Apr 2013 #57

I'll say it again. rrneck Apr 2013 #59

So what, we already have background checks on a self selected Progressive dog Apr 2013 #60

Here is the definition of a loophole. rrneck Apr 2013 #61

The federal government can regulate these sales Progressive dog Apr 2013 #63

Wrong. rrneck Apr 2013 #64

The idea is to change the law, but you knew that Progressive dog Apr 2013 #65

So how should the law work? Explain it. rrneck Apr 2013 #67

No point to this, is there Progressive dog Apr 2013 #68

Can you explain it? rrneck Apr 2013 #70

The gun nuts have to move past the 1st stage of grief Progressive dog Apr 2013 #71

And you still can't explain how a law that you support will work. rrneck Apr 2013 #72

90% of voters support 100% background checks Progressive dog Apr 2013 #73

Another dodge. rrneck Apr 2013 #74

Fact--90% of voters support 100% background checks Progressive dog Apr 2013 #75

LOL! rrneck Apr 2013 #79

Fact-90% of voters support !00% background checks Progressive dog Apr 2013 #81

Still running I see. rrneck Apr 2013 #82

90% of voters support 100% background checks Progressive dog Apr 2013 #83

I don't mind answering. rrneck Apr 2013 #84

So change the subject now Progressive dog Apr 2013 #85

So will the law work and merit your support? rrneck Apr 2013 #86

You don't have to prove why you don't support it Progressive dog Apr 2013 #88

LOL! rrneck Apr 2013 #89

I have already addressed the problems you claim to have with it Progressive dog Apr 2013 #91

So rrneck Apr 2013 #94

If I have to sell a car, it doesn't turn me into a car dealer Progressive dog Apr 2013 #96

Car analogies don't work as well as you think. rrneck Apr 2013 #97

Since you apparently did your usual cut and paste reply without bothering to read Progressive dog Apr 2013 #101

Well, lets play "quote the text". It's tedious, but sometimes necessary. rrneck Apr 2013 #107

And by the way... rrneck Apr 2013 #90

You expect, would that be an opinion Progressive dog Apr 2013 #92

Don't recognize your own words? rrneck Apr 2013 #93

You really don't get it , do you Progressive dog Apr 2013 #98

I haven't had the opportunity to confuse the two rrneck Apr 2013 #100

Rational does not maen agree with you, look it up Progressive dog Apr 2013 #102

That's true. rrneck Apr 2013 #103

Is that supposed to be funny Progressive dog Apr 2013 #104

It may or may not have been funny, but it was certainly accurate. rrneck Apr 2013 #105

I'm concerned about the life part first Progressive dog Apr 2013 #106

Well, you see the problem is rrneck Apr 2013 #108

Where did you find gun nut in the dictionary? Progressive dog Apr 2013 #109

Well, why don't you straighten it all out for us. rrneck Apr 2013 #110

You implied you knew what gun nut meant Progressive dog Apr 2013 #111

Sure they're convinced rrneck Apr 2013 #112

You are right but I thought the right group of people were on DU Progressive dog Apr 2013 #113

It's good to know that you are an American first. rrneck Apr 2013 #114

You are very confused , aren't you? Progressive dog Apr 2013 #115

I've been asking you rrneck Apr 2013 #116

Who died and left you boss Progressive dog Apr 2013 #117

Yet another fearless gun control advocate rrneck Apr 2013 #118

Yeah. When you don't go into specifics, you don't get as much negative response. JVS Apr 2013 #58

*this* is your first OP? bunnies Apr 2013 #18

A new Gungeoneer billh58 Apr 2013 #20

Theyre so cute at this stage. bunnies Apr 2013 #21

I think "new" might be pushing it... DanTex Apr 2013 #25

Lmao nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #33

recycled, more likely Skittles Apr 2013 #39

Actual research! edhopper Apr 2013 #22

yet no link....after ALL that work spanone Apr 2013 #23

There is a link in my OP. supernaut Apr 2013 #40

Hey supernaut edhopper Apr 2013 #24

The other problem is that the polls don't ask the right questions kudzu22 Apr 2013 #26

You know, objecting to questions on polls Progressive dog Apr 2013 #47

the sane side of America sigmasix Apr 2013 #27

there seems to be an endless supply of NRA pimps Skittles Apr 2013 #28

Endless.... Agschmid Apr 2013 #38

Unless they used a really biased sample set, it is probably pretty accurate pediatricmedic Apr 2013 #30

I tried to call every phone number in the country, but I missed lunch. And dinner. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #31

Yes. Any other questions? XRubicon Apr 2013 #32

I want graphs and charts damn it ! olddots Apr 2013 #34

WTF? Are you talking about? n/t Agschmid Apr 2013 #37

For the people who keep saying "no link".. supernaut Apr 2013 #41

Does it Really matter? What dumb ass would be against background checks?? jmg257 Apr 2013 #42

More than 40 Senators Recursion Apr 2013 #43

It ain't over till it's over Progressive dog Apr 2013 #48

Well I hope they find a way to force it through the Senate Recursion Apr 2013 #49

It's not my day to watch 'em. In_The_Wind Apr 2013 #44

I see. Who might those people be who "keep asking" MineralMan Apr 2013 #50

We need to do more research. KansDem Apr 2013 #51

The Only Polls That Matter To A Congresscritter... KharmaTrain Apr 2013 #52

Gunner's Advice alcibiades_mystery Apr 2013 #55

Yes we are. It is helping. We will win this. morningfog Apr 2013 #66

It's more statistical than "Four out of five dentists" NoPasaran Apr 2013 #69

OP has been served his Pizza is no longer with us. nt stevenleser Apr 2013 #76

THIS is why education is so important. nt laundry_queen Apr 2013 #77

That's how ALL polls work gollygee Apr 2013 #78

What do you mean by "we"? baldguy Apr 2013 #87

Excellent joke! ecstatic Apr 2013 #95

Oh Jeez, another person who can't comprehend statistics & polling. JaneyVee Apr 2013 #99