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ellisonz

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85. As has been pointed out many times in this thread to you...

Sun Apr 28, 2013, 01:40 PM

Apr 2013

...the reason even a watered down compromise bill with no teeth couldn't even pass is because the right-wing gun culture in this country isn't interested in *passing any fucking bill at all* because they are bloodsucking, greedy murderous leches beholden to a vast military-industrial complex. The sooner you accept the reality here the sooner you will stop trying to tell us there isn't a 800-pound purple gorilla in the room. Your repeated phrasing that these people are "paraded victims" is incredibly fucking insulting and you should wipe that phrase from your vocabulary and especially when you use it to make a hollow argument such as the one you are continuing to make now. These people aren't "paraded," they are freely choosing to advocate for the side of good in the fight against this disease of gun nuttiness.
We've had a debate, we won the debate, that progress is impeded by a small, militant fanatical minority does not logically lead the conclusion that issue is with our side.

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Why we lost the gun debate in the Senate, and why we'll keep losing it. [View all] Savannahmann Apr 2013 OP

do you truly believe the RW would honestly debate the issues surrounding gun control? DrDan Apr 2013 #1

You don't defeat the RW by shouting slogans. Savannahmann Apr 2013 #7

"Senator, we always place limits on Civil Rights.??? loyalsister Apr 2013 #12

True, but the truth remains. Savannahmann Apr 2013 #14

I still don't buy ownership of an object designed to as a civil right loyalsister Apr 2013 #43

This... Pelican Apr 2013 #78

I didn't say it was limited to police or knives loyalsister Apr 2013 #80

Two things... Pelican Apr 2013 #82

I didn't say guns should be banned loyalsister Apr 2013 #83

Not really we lost because of the NRA money.. NewEngland4Obama Apr 2013 #2

Which side has a billionaire true believer on it? NT JohnnyBoots Apr 2013 #4

According to this they spent a whopping $3million lobbying... pipoman Apr 2013 #18

Well thought out JohnnyBoots Apr 2013 #3

When an issue has 85% support among the American people... Skinner Apr 2013 #5

That statistic I think has misled you and gun restrictionists. aikoaiko Apr 2013 #13

The Majority Of People Support Gun Control But It Is Not Important To Them? HangOnKids Apr 2013 #15

The Majority Of People Support Gun Control But It Is Not Important To Them? Yes sarisataka Apr 2013 #19

Sorry that poll is ridiculous. HangOnKids Apr 2013 #56

I will reply anyway- It wasn't a poll sarisataka Apr 2013 #59

Here's the Gallup poll done from 4/4 thru 4/7. premium Apr 2013 #16

So the vast majority is being held hostage by a small, heavily armed minority of fanatics? n/t ellisonz Apr 2013 #72

A motivated minority is having an impact, but that is how the Senate was designed. aikoaiko Apr 2013 #79

"I think a Toomey-Manchin like bill will pass soon" ellisonz Apr 2013 #84

Something like it will come around soon I think. aikoaiko Apr 2013 #86

Wow that wasn't poorly phrased at all... ellisonz Apr 2013 #87

We obviously disagree on many things, but incrementalism is your only hope. aikoaiko Apr 2013 #88

You're operating on the presumption that Congress is functional. ellisonz Apr 2013 #89

Ok, then its status quo on guns until then. aikoaiko Apr 2013 #90

We lost this debate because... CincyDem Apr 2013 #6

"WE" Really? None of the decision makers invited me to be part of "WE" HereSince1628 Apr 2013 #45

Yep. Sux to be we. CincyDem Apr 2013 #50

As a progressive democrat I'm tired of being blamed when my warnings go unheeded. HereSince1628 Apr 2013 #53

I didn't mean to imply your warnings should go unheeded CincyDem Apr 2013 #54

All those words can be boiled down to three letters: NRA MotherPetrie Apr 2013 #8

That 90% poll lancer78 Apr 2013 #9

And not only that.. supernaut Apr 2013 #21

Gosh Sherlock ... GeorgeGist Apr 2013 #81

There is more to it than that BethanyQuartz Apr 2013 #10

You're pro-third party and anti-gun control on DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND. DevonRex Apr 2013 #24

I'm pro-third party but eager for dems to run candidates who aren't repukes in blue BethanyQuartz Apr 2013 #28

They were nuked n/t ellisonz Apr 2013 #73

Do you know what did it? DevonRex Apr 2013 #91

No exact idea. ellisonz Apr 2013 #93

Your point about the hubris of DiFi is well made and she is not the only one ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #11

The purpose of this post is not to revisit Gun Control in this Congress, or the next. Savannahmann Apr 2013 #17

Education is also clearly called for ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #63

Not much used to "debating" right wingers, eh? Fumesucker Apr 2013 #20

Those are a small minority Savannahmann Apr 2013 #68

If you are expecting our politicians to be knowledgeable you might as well give up now Fumesucker Apr 2013 #70

In part. TheKentuckian Apr 2013 #22

I couldn't agree more, Kentuckian (from a fellow Kentuckian!) Bake Apr 2013 #51

Well said. beevul Apr 2013 #62

When you got 85% support for an issue nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #23

Oh bullshit. Zoeisright Apr 2013 #25

I tend to agree but would add what I think is one vital thing. gulliver Apr 2013 #26

No, we should have highlighted their supporters. Savannahmann Apr 2013 #33

These types of guys don't make great villains. gulliver Apr 2013 #40

Piffle. 99Forever Apr 2013 #27

The NRA was just as powerful before Savannahmann Apr 2013 #34

Hogwash. 99Forever Apr 2013 #36

Yes it is the argument or really education SpartanDem Apr 2013 #41

Save your NRA gibberish for someone else. 99Forever Apr 2013 #44

What aren't you buying? Did you even read the article SpartanDem Apr 2013 #48

Blah blah blah 99Forever Apr 2013 #49

We beat that statistic until it didn't matter Savannahmann Apr 2013 #57

Good grief... 99Forever Apr 2013 #61

These are irrational people who think they need to strap a gun or two on to venture out. Hoyt Apr 2013 #29

Actually, the MAJORITY voted yes in the Senate Uzair Apr 2013 #30

Yep. premium Apr 2013 #31

More stringent gun control failed because support fell. Skip Intro Apr 2013 #32

Exactly. Savannahmann Apr 2013 #35

And don't forget Bloomberg with his dumbass gun control ad premium Apr 2013 #38

It's beginning to look as if some of the RW are backing away Progressive dog Apr 2013 #37

This is about the filibuster, nothing more. Jennicut Apr 2013 #39

lost the debate? Doctor_J Apr 2013 #42

No one wants to, nor will they disarm themselves...... DeSwiss Apr 2013 #46

Your mistake is assuming that the opposition to gun control is intelligent and interested in DanTex Apr 2013 #47

+1 ellisonz Apr 2013 #74

This is like whack a mole Progressive dog Apr 2013 #52

If they keep repeating it, billh58 Apr 2013 #65

Let them defeat themselves. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2013 #55

That is a very good idea sarisataka Apr 2013 #60

Republicans fight for what they want. sendero Apr 2013 #58

Let me correct that billh58 Apr 2013 #66

So what? sendero Apr 2013 #67

Okey, dokey billh58 Apr 2013 #69

Good points, all well made kudzu22 Apr 2013 #64

My Friends Savannahmann Apr 2013 #71

When you talk about a "parade of victims" you marginalize the issue. ellisonz Apr 2013 #75

Then why didn't the elected representatives point that out? Savannahmann Apr 2013 #77

As has been pointed out many times in this thread to you... ellisonz Apr 2013 #85

If you are right, there is no hope. Savannahmann Apr 2013 #92

That debate was lost by the NRA threats in the upcoming election.. jonthebru Apr 2013 #76