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18. Couldn't agree more-- particularly with the part about systemic dishonesty.

Sun Apr 28, 2013, 05:09 PM

Apr 2013

The effect of that government-wide, obvious dishonesty is hard to gauge, but I expect it's one of the main drivers behind the cynicism we see towards politics and politicians today-- especially from those 35 and under.

I'd never seen a western government like the one under the Bush Administration. Almost everything they said was a deceitful sales pitch of some kind. You got half truths occasionally, flat out fiction the rest of the time. People were beginning to regard White House press releases and corporate news reports the way I'm told Soviets used to regard the stories in Pravda; that is, as satire.

I've never seen so many people just *assuming* their president was lying every time he opened his mouth-- and that reality was likely to be the opposite of whatever he was saying.

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KRUGMAN: "Bush lied us into war. Let�s repeat that: he lied us into war." [View all] kpete Apr 2013 OP

And again ... Newest Reality Apr 2013 #1

And in case someone might have missed it the first time... calimary Apr 2013 #20

spot on arely staircase Apr 2013 #36

It truly made me deeply ashamed of my former profession. calimary Apr 2013 #38

I used to work in PR arely staircase Apr 2013 #39

I finally got off the rollercoaster. Found a way to retire. calimary Apr 2013 #41

^^^This^^^ dog_lovin_dem Apr 2013 #43

+1,000,000 MsLeopard Apr 2013 #68

You're not by ANY means the only one who thinks this way, dog_lovin_dem! calimary Apr 2013 #85

You're absolutely right, Calimary. dog_lovin_dem May 2013 #87

k&r nt raccoon Apr 2013 #2

That sounds remarkably like a conspiracy Fumesucker Apr 2013 #3

Of course timdog44 Apr 2013 #7

"Iraq has WMD" was the conspiracy. grahamhgreen Apr 2013 #25

No, there are real conspiracies, caseymoz Apr 2013 #56

With Obama's birth certificate, it was more a long shot than for a random person (or even more a karynnj Apr 2013 #70

I like the way you think. nt raccoon May 2013 #88

what's the difference between lying a nation into war and treason? spanone Apr 2013 #4

Guts to call the latter out. Is Krugman ready? Are WE? WinkyDink Apr 2013 #14

Lying a Nation into a War IS Treason! Coyotl Apr 2013 #74

Thanks Paul....for putting your finger into the dike of revision. kentuck Apr 2013 #5

97 recs and counting Electric Monk Apr 2013 #6

Actually... Phentex Apr 2013 #8

and now both threads are tied at 124.... nt Electric Monk Apr 2013 #55

Everybody knows that Bush lied us into the Iraq War. Why isn't he in prsion for life? mt ladjf Apr 2013 #9

I believe the Republicans counted on the fact that his father was a president would give him cover.. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #16

Obama refuses to look back. grahamhgreen Apr 2013 #27

In a sane and just world, little boots would be... tex-wyo-dem Apr 2013 #59

Because it wasn't illegal loyalsister Apr 2013 #69

Because we have a history of going to war based on lies, see the Maine and the Second Gulf of Tonkin Hippo_Tron Apr 2013 #78

Well, what about Benghazi? chuckstevens Apr 2013 #10

As far as McCain is concerned lakercub Apr 2013 #23

You are certainly not alone. I'm sickened by the sound of their names and when I realize they are The Wielding Truth Apr 2013 #50

Bush was reportedly told that if he were president during a war he'd be re-elected. byeya Apr 2013 #11

I've always believed that's why we went to war...so he could get the second term daddy didn't! Sekhmets Daughter Apr 2013 #32

Of course he and his cabinet did! sakabatou Apr 2013 #12

And once one asks "WHY?", the next question PERFORCE becomes "HOW?" WinkyDink Apr 2013 #13

George AWOL Bush & the Republican Cabal O'Cronies lied us into war Berlum Apr 2013 #15

Oh, but" impeachment is off the table" MissDeeds Apr 2013 #17

+1000 chuckstevens Apr 2013 #24

Well said! grahamhgreen Apr 2013 #29

Obama failed the nation and the world with that. SomeGuyInEagan Apr 2013 #45

Couldn't agree more-- particularly with the part about systemic dishonesty. Marr Apr 2013 #18

Bush also lied about how he learned of the first WTC attack KansDem Apr 2013 #19

+1000 MissDeeds Apr 2013 #21

To paraphrase... zeemike Apr 2013 #22

Why? He did rescind presidential order against profiting on war. Festivito Apr 2013 #26

unfortunately Krugman lied about the Obama tax cuts hfojvt Apr 2013 #28

Being he's responsible for 8 yrs of lies, impeachment was ... orpupilofnature57 Apr 2013 #31

BUSH lied us into war. JDPriestly Apr 2013 #42

He lied us in to a financial anomaly . orpupilofnature57 Apr 2013 #30

That Is Going Soft On Bush DallasNE Apr 2013 #33

Surely you're not suggesting that George Tenet RVN VET Apr 2013 #82

We heard so much about "Clinton lied", but Bill Clinton's lie did not get 4500 killed Thinkingabout Apr 2013 #34

anyone with a read of media in late 2002 knew that markiv Apr 2013 #35

k & r thanks for posting..... nt Stuart G Apr 2013 #37

The major media was complicit in this lie - they didn't ask questions, they just fell into line. reformist2 Apr 2013 #40

War Cabal Bobcat Apr 2013 #44

Yes, he lied us into war. 99Forever Apr 2013 #46

K&R, big time! Bozita Apr 2013 #47

I don't believe for a second "everyone" believed there were WMDs. VPStoltz Apr 2013 #48

It appears some of the same people who enabled Bush are trying to lie us into Syria and Iran. Ford_Prefect Apr 2013 #49

. blkmusclmachine Apr 2013 #51

The George Bush Vanity War NBachers Apr 2013 #52

... Solly Mack Apr 2013 #53

And where is Krugman from our Sunday line-up? MIA Hulk Apr 2013 #54

Is anyone who was dumb enough to believe those lies at the time likely to now feel any regret? (nt) harmonicon Apr 2013 #57

Weapon's Inspector Scott Ritter tried to tell Bush there were no WMDs. Yooperman Apr 2013 #58

I don't know why it is legal for politicians to lie... midnight Apr 2013 #60

Not legal as such...Merely a job requirement. Although it seems to be a well honed talent for some. Ford_Prefect Apr 2013 #61

Yes.... Let me rephrase...I don't understand why being able to lie is a job requirement.... midnight Apr 2013 #62

If we were truly the great democracy we proclaim, Bush and his cronies would have been held spicegal Apr 2013 #63

At DU, we knew he Carolina Apr 2013 #64

Great point! creativebliss Apr 2013 #66

Welcome to DU Carolina Apr 2013 #84

Starting a war also helped cover-up the actions of the Junta stealing the office, changed the focus Coyotl Apr 2013 #75

Heard a blurb about the Library on NPR, and they allowed Bush's lie to repeat without comment Ian_rd Apr 2013 #65

If it wasn't for you fine folks and people like Dr. Krugman I'd think I was in a Twilight Zone. raouldukelives Apr 2013 #67

Why is the Bush Crime Syndicate RoccoR5955 Apr 2013 #71

AND used other folks' kids lives to make him feel tough nt duhneece Apr 2013 #72

And now they want our Social Security and Medicare... KansDem Apr 2013 #73

k&r for Paul Krugman. n/t Laelth Apr 2013 #76

It was Bush Sr., actually. redqueen Apr 2013 #77

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Apr 2013 #79

The problem is, there were many involved. Not just Bush. One might even include the Supreme Court. Gregorian Apr 2013 #80

Lies, lies and more lies smknz Apr 2013 #81

Cheney's enthusiasm for war Enoki33 Apr 2013 #83

Now it's Obama's turn. ozone_man Apr 2013 #86

The regular Krug bashers seem to be on hiatus. Rex May 2013 #89