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fasttense

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47. You replace it with worker controlled businesses
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 10:12 AM
Apr 2013

There are many in the US right now. Co-ops, worker owned corporations like Alexandria Union Cab http://www.alexunioncab.com/ Alvarado Street Bakery’s http://www.alvaradostreetbakery.com/ and Apple Eco-Cleaning http://green-coop.com/ to name just a few.

There are some restrictions in Europe on campaign and financing that we don't have in the US. Those restrictions have allowed for more socialism than what is allowed in the US. But if given enough time, capitalism will tear down those restrictions like they have torn down most restrictions on capitalism here in the US. They will tear down even these minimal restrictions because the capitalists, the uber rich, the corporations have most of the money from our labor. With that money, they will continually fight even minimal restrictions. Look at how Great Britain has privatized their transportation and increased austerity on the middle class and poor. Greece immediately jumped on the austerity wagon. That is the result of huge wealth allowed to accumulate in the hands of a few individuals at the expense of a mass of workers through capitalism.

Democracy in the workplace could be done in hundreds of different ways. Mondragon for example, the workers come in 4 days a week and do the work and get a pay check just like normal. On the 5th day they get together and sit on boards and vote on what to do with the profits and how it's distributed. http://www.mondragon-corporation.com/ENG.aspx. If a board of directors and a CEO can make those decisions, why not the workers formed into boards. I think they have specific issues that must (by their own policies) be brought before the general assembly for a vote by all employees. Yes, there is a lot of voting and decisions to be made but better the worker than the elite CEO and board members.

Of course you always have cheats and crooks. This will NOT solve all the worlds problems. There will always be problems and difficulties, crooks and liars. This democracy in the work place would merely put the workers in charge instead of an elite group of rich people.

But if workers decided things, would they make such horrible decisions as capitalists? Would they decide to ship their own jobs to another country? Would they decide to use a chemical that spills out into their drinking water and poisons their children? Would they decide to use pesticides that will kill all the bees? I somehow doubt it, because they would have to suffer the consequences of these decisions. Right now a CEO gets the ok from the board to use poisonous fluids to dig a well. He doesn't live where the well will be dug. The board members wont have to drink and use the poisoned tap water. So, to them there are no consequences to poisoning the ground water while digging a well. But if the guy who uses the digging equipment, who lives 10 miles from the site gets a say in the matter, I doubt he would decide on poisonous materials. Yes, he could get bribed to vote for the poison but then he has got to think if his company gets in trouble, would he still have a job.

Panglossian? Me excessively optimistic? Far from it. No one who knows me has ever accused me of that.

But like I said this wont solve all the worlds problems but it is a good start. We have a mild form of democracy in politics now we need to put real democracy in the workplace.

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This isn't the first time in recent history, either; Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #1
The Tarzeen fire is the most recent before this, but it wasn't singular either cali Apr 2013 #2
Horrible. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #3
Outcomes like these are all but inevitable under capitalism. fasttense Apr 2013 #4
Look, we're not getting rid of capitalism anytime soon but cali Apr 2013 #5
We have. sulphurdunn Apr 2013 #20
Well, they thought the same things about kings and royalty fasttense Apr 2013 #25
try you are never going to get rid of exploitation as long as there are human beings. cali Apr 2013 #29
I agree some kind of exploitation will always exist fasttense Apr 2013 #34
what do you replace it with? Why don't you think strongly regulated capitalism/socialism cali Apr 2013 #37
You replace it with worker controlled businesses fasttense Apr 2013 #47
I'm with you NJCher Apr 2013 #45
Oh yes the one in Spain I think is called Mondragon fasttense Apr 2013 #48
that is so cool! NJCher Apr 2013 #49
One man trapped from the waist down pleaded for 3 days to be pulled out of the rubble. pacalo Apr 2013 #6
and let's be clear: "told to come in" meant fired if you don't. cali Apr 2013 #7
Most certainly. It's sickening, cali. pacalo Apr 2013 #8
sickening, heartbreaking cali Apr 2013 #9
In light of the building collapse & the problems that caused it, Sears' response is breathtaking... pacalo Apr 2013 #15
yes, and dotymed Apr 2013 #12
could you give examples? cali Apr 2013 #14
Yes Cali. dotymed Apr 2013 #28
thank you. I know that pre-coffee fugue. cali Apr 2013 #30
Sorry....see coffee...lol dotymed Apr 2013 #32
You should also doublespace between paragraphs, especially in long posts. nt tblue37 Apr 2013 #46
This is just so absolutely heartbreaking. smirkymonkey Apr 2013 #23
And I believe these are the conditions the Republicans are salivating to bring to this country. pacalo Apr 2013 #33
I tend to get this Newest Reality Apr 2013 #10
I know just how you feel. cali Apr 2013 #11
Same here! Newest Reality Apr 2013 #18
well, I'm actually not just emerging from a consumer cocoon cali Apr 2013 #19
Oh, then Newest Reality Apr 2013 #21
That note explains why they go into unsafe buildings on the orders of malaise Apr 2013 #13
I hope there was a post script Shankapotomus Apr 2013 #16
yes they do. and the note makes clear why they do cali Apr 2013 #17
That is heart-breaking! There has to be a global movement to boycott these Corporations sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #22
+100 n/t whathehell Apr 2013 #24
+1. cali Apr 2013 #31
Heartbreaking and sickening... Sekhmets Daughter Apr 2013 #26
Where are the arrests in West, Texas? Sedona Apr 2013 #27
^^^Most Important Post of this Thread^^^^ bvar22 Apr 2013 #42
No we don't. and it's obscene and ignorant to suggest that cali Apr 2013 #43
Then WHERE are the arrests in West Texas. bvar22 Apr 2013 #44
Fuck Wall St. raouldukelives Apr 2013 #35
And the saddest thing is...Is that this will change nothing. alphafemale Apr 2013 #36
I hope not. You're probably right but cali Apr 2013 #38
Never letting go....another photo allegedly from this hideous tragedy Triana Apr 2013 #39
that's... hideously beautiful cali Apr 2013 #40
I'd like to blow that up and paste it all over the windows of a prominent cali Apr 2013 #41
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