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laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
45. Exactly.
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 10:36 AM
Apr 2013

Where I am, in Canada, I can go to the doctor whenever I want, no co-pay. NO ONE that I know abuses that. They may go for things that are 'minor' but that just means they save the system money in the long run by going before things get serious and cost lots of money. But really, no one LIKES going to the doctor and most people in my family avoid it if they can. I'm sure there ARE people who abuse it, but for the most part, people like that get ridiculed and shamed here for 'wasting taxpayer's dollars'. It's rare enough I've only heard about it through 3rd person stories. And most people don't go to the ER unless it's serious or they can't find a 24 hour clinic and something is very uncomfortable.

I lived in a remote area that only had 'business hours' doctor's offices and once I went to the ER with strep throat. Sounds frivolous right? I had a mild sore throat on Friday and by the time I called the clinic on Friday afternoon, they couldn't get me in. I thought I'd try to tough it out till Monday. I bought numbing losenges and some Tylenol. By Saturday morning, I couldn't even swallow my spit, and I was carrying around tissue because I was drooling. I was in so much pain (seriously the worst sore throat I've ever had, and I used to get strep and tonsillitis all the time as a kid) I couldn't eat or drink. The numbing losenges only made a dent in the pain for a few minutes at a time and soon I had run out. I thought I'd have a look in the mirror at my tonsils to see what was going on - and oh my. It was awful. My tonsils looked as if I was a burn victim on the inside - all my skin had turned white and was coming off the inside of my throat. I was also running a high fever. So, I reluctantly went to the ER. I felt like it was so stupid to go to the ER for a sore throat, but the ER doc told me that I had a really bad case of strep and there's no way it could've waited until Monday. He said sometimes with strep that bad, it can become more systemic so it's important to get it treated quickly and that was exactly what the ER was for. Now that I'm in a large metropolitan area, I could probably find a 24 hour clinic and not have to go to the ER.

Another positive (I think this was addressed upthread) is that if a doctor thinks, for instance, antibiotics are unnecessary, they don't feel the need to prescribe them to keep that person from coming back to save that person money from a co-pay or if they don't have insurance. If, by chance, you get worse and DO later on need antibiotics, then there is no hesitation in going back. But generally, most people don't NEED them so most people will get better without them, which is good for stopping the growing antibiotic resistance of bacteria. The few that come back truly DO need them. And most people will go back because they don't have to worry about paying. When people have to worry about paying, doctors are going to be prescribing things just to make sure their patients don't have to come back, or to make sure that they will be okay if they decide coming back is too expensive if they get worse. A person isn't treated with their insurance status in mind - they are treated solely on the basis of the problems they present with. And that actually saves money in the long run too - they aren't loaded up with treatments they may not need to ensure they don't have to come back.

Anyway, this whole 'people go to the doctor all the time for every sniffle with socialized medicine' stuff is crap, in my experience.

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Why are you trying to prove a negative? They make a claim, they should prove it does. idwiyo Apr 2013 #1
First of all, the uninsured already go to the ER for non-emergency care. alarimer Apr 2013 #2
I think it is something so obvious no study is needed. MindPilot Apr 2013 #3
Yep. And I speak out of experience having lived 16 years in the Netherlands BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #52
In 1996, my husband had an emergency root canal in Groningen eridani Apr 2013 #60
Very hard to study, given that people's medical records are private, hughee99 Apr 2013 #4
If anything, I hear just the opposite. That people are more likely to NOT go to the ER CTyankee Apr 2013 #5
This +1 JustAnotherGen Apr 2013 #53
Maybe they are watching the British comedy "Doc Martin" grasswire Apr 2013 #6
Do you like going to the doctor? LeftInTX Apr 2013 #7
WHEN these boys timdog44 Apr 2013 #14
"They aren't going to "treat" someone if nothing is the matter with them. " former9thward Apr 2013 #16
Yep, absolutely LeftInTX Apr 2013 #18
Get a doctor to say that. former9thward Apr 2013 #26
That's because of the fee for service system we have now Hippo_Tron Apr 2013 #51
Fee for service and fears of malpractice suits. former9thward Apr 2013 #55
They certainly do--just not very many of them. And why not? eridani Apr 2013 #62
Not really. former9thward Apr 2013 #63
National health care is exactly what will eliminate lawsuits related to malpractice eridani May 2013 #65
Do you seriously think there are no mistakes made in national health care? former9thward May 2013 #66
Didn't say that--I said that mistakes under national health care never cost the patient more money eridani May 2013 #67
A huge part of malpractice suits is "pain and suffering". former9thward May 2013 #69
This is just a bullshit excuse to get the money they will need for (often) a lifetime of extra care eridani May 2013 #86
Some people do like to go to the doctor. Maybe for attention. Seriously, I have two relatives who raccoon May 2013 #81
Here's a dissertation that might help magellan Apr 2013 #8
Anyone who's ever had to sit in an ER should be able to figure that one out. n/t winter is coming Apr 2013 #13
Of course. But the request was for a study of some kind. magellan Apr 2013 #15
Thank you! It's not the exact answer but it's good enough. Gravitycollapse May 2013 #73
You're welcome magellan May 2013 #85
Thank you for your concern. Single payer is not "socialized medicine". kestrel91316 Apr 2013 #9
First of all you need socialized medicine, not the jury-rigged system in place rustydog Apr 2013 #10
For a toothache see the dentist quitnesset Apr 2013 #11
Define 'frivolous' htuttle Apr 2013 #12
Where's all the frivolous use of the fire department? ret5hd Apr 2013 #17
+1 leftstreet Apr 2013 #34
Obviously your "friends" haven't been to the emergency room curlyred Apr 2013 #19
Far lower costs, superior outcomes. Warren Stupidity Apr 2013 #20
Maybe not exactly what you're looking for, but the Time article on Health Care was thorough Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #21
That argument is a red herring to begin with... Locut0s Apr 2013 #22
A big problem is that many people in this country are covered by company health plans. bluestate10 Apr 2013 #24
since universal coverage is about 30% cheaper, i wonder what 'true' costs you're talking about? HiPointDem Apr 2013 #40
And it's getting to where fewer and fewer people have that. I wonder when we'll hit the tipping raccoon May 2013 #82
The fact that "socialized" medicine countries have lower patient expenses than we do bluestate10 Apr 2013 #23
The current scheme is the ultimate in frivolous care. mick063 Apr 2013 #25
I Agree With You That It's a Relevant Question On the Road Apr 2013 #27
How do you define "frivolous"? JDPriestly Apr 2013 #36
I think what is meant by frivolous OwnedByCats Apr 2013 #43
Have you actually been in an emergency room? JDPriestly Apr 2013 #47
Yeah I have been there many times OwnedByCats Apr 2013 #56
Yes. I prefer single payer. The British system is great. JDPriestly Apr 2013 #57
Yep OwnedByCats Apr 2013 #58
It's code talk. "Frivolous" is when people who are not white like them seek medical care. hunter Apr 2013 #28
Exactly. "Those" people will be in the waiting room. Warren Stupidity Apr 2013 #42
+1 gollygee Apr 2013 #54
is arizona considering "socialized medicine" ? arely staircase Apr 2013 #29
Toothaches can kill you. Tell them that. truebluegreen Apr 2013 #30
Ask the British. moondust Apr 2013 #31
A tooth that has abcessed is not frivolous nobodyspecial Apr 2013 #32
You better believe an infected abscessed tooth is a good OwnedByCats Apr 2013 #39
Negative Proof kenichol Apr 2013 #33
That might be kind of hard to find. When people have insurance they do go to the Dr more MellowYellow Apr 2013 #35
There are no frivolous visits. sibelian Apr 2013 #37
Ok, I lived in the UK for 10 years OwnedByCats Apr 2013 #38
such research exists, because i remember reading it, though i can't remember the details. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #41
Define "frivolous". baldguy Apr 2013 #44
Exactly. laundry_queen Apr 2013 #45
Not evidence, but personal anecdotes WilmywoodNCparalegal Apr 2013 #46
Kick. n/t area51 Apr 2013 #48
I remember seeing a chart on the old DU Sheepshank Apr 2013 #49
ok here is the link. Sheepshank Apr 2013 #50
If our system is so great at keeping costs down, why do we pay TWICE per capita eridani Apr 2013 #59
Here's a pretty good blog about health care. DanTex Apr 2013 #61
Clever variation on the usual "HELP ME REFUTE THIS" TROLLING. WinkyDink Apr 2013 #64
Yeah, no trolling. Just looking for information. Gravitycollapse May 2013 #71
Wth counts as "frivolous"? If you have a doctor, you don't go to the ER Hekate May 2013 #68
Well, for one thing, wingnuts are stupid. Gravitycollapse May 2013 #72
I've gone to the ER for a toothache... cynatnite May 2013 #70
Given the constant whining about overtreatment, it's hard for me to make sense of that claim. bemildred May 2013 #74
I've gone to the ER with a 'toothache' REP May 2013 #75
Doctors' offices are full of germs--most people try to avoid them emsimon33 May 2013 #76
You think a doctor's office is full of germs? Hospitals are gigantic petri dishes. Gravitycollapse May 2013 #77
That, too. emsimon33 May 2013 #80
The insurance industry are still flinging this poo? Cleita May 2013 #78
The argument is either ludicrous or irrelevant, depending... Demo_Chris May 2013 #79
Me thinks there is racism and/or Fox News behind this thinking LeftInTX May 2013 #83
my friend has health insurance and pays DesertFlower May 2013 #84
I can only give you my own personal experience... Violet_Crumble May 2013 #87
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