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In reply to the discussion: Are we doing ourselves any favors repeating this 90% number? [View all]rrneck
(17,671 posts)82. Still running I see.
You solicited opinions which I had already expressed.
You offered opinions that had nothing to do with what I asked. But while you're at it, what's the price of eggs in Germany these days? Since you seem willing to treat opinions like commodities, surely you can expound on that.
As to your last questions, they have absolutely nothing to do with the public policy question of whether we should support a law that has been proposed.
So whether or not a law will actually work, become a burden on the those who comply with it but will receive no benefit from it, unnecessarily invade people's privacy, or result in the banishment of the Democratic party to the political wilderness are not germane to any discussion of the issue? That's rich. Then why are we here?
I am not a robber, so I would find it hard to speak to the impact of robbery laws on real people.
Robbery is against the law, and yet it still happens. What solution do you offer people who get robbed in spite of the penalties for doing so?
Let me help. It hurts. Sometimes when people get robbed it ruins their lives.
You find it hard to speak to the impact of robbery on real people because they are invisible to you. Of course since you "have no problem having a BC done to buy or sell a weapon, so the law has no effect on (you)", you don't give a shit about all the people who will have their lives devastated because you won't even consider the impact of your policy proposals on the reality of their lives. Those are the "surrounding ramifications" that seem to mystify you so much. Mandated formalities backed by force of law may be fine for someone that can take a day off from work and pay to have them done, but a lot of people don't enjoy that luxury. If they lose a day of work, they lose their job. And not a few of them are already working two or three jobs just to eat and sleep indoors. So now they have a bunch of upscale suburbanites lecturing them on what they need to do to keep the wolves away from the gates surrounding their tract homes. That kind of attitude results in the "political ramifications" that put the lie to the 90% support figure which, as I pointed out earlier, is now around 65%.
So, are you ready to discuss the how the law will affect real people, or do you have another batch of bumper sticker slogans, boilerplate, and insults prepared?
You offered opinions that had nothing to do with what I asked. But while you're at it, what's the price of eggs in Germany these days? Since you seem willing to treat opinions like commodities, surely you can expound on that.
As to your last questions, they have absolutely nothing to do with the public policy question of whether we should support a law that has been proposed.
So whether or not a law will actually work, become a burden on the those who comply with it but will receive no benefit from it, unnecessarily invade people's privacy, or result in the banishment of the Democratic party to the political wilderness are not germane to any discussion of the issue? That's rich. Then why are we here?
I am not a robber, so I would find it hard to speak to the impact of robbery laws on real people.
Robbery is against the law, and yet it still happens. What solution do you offer people who get robbed in spite of the penalties for doing so?
Let me help. It hurts. Sometimes when people get robbed it ruins their lives.
http://www.amazon.com/The-Working-Poor-Invisible-America/dp/0375708219/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1367261842&sr=8-1&keywords=shipler
The Working Poor: Invisible in America
They perform labor essential to Americas comfort. They are white and black, Latino and Asian--men and women in small towns and city slums trapped near the poverty line, where the margins are so tight that even minor setbacks can cause devastating chain reactions.
You find it hard to speak to the impact of robbery on real people because they are invisible to you. Of course since you "have no problem having a BC done to buy or sell a weapon, so the law has no effect on (you)", you don't give a shit about all the people who will have their lives devastated because you won't even consider the impact of your policy proposals on the reality of their lives. Those are the "surrounding ramifications" that seem to mystify you so much. Mandated formalities backed by force of law may be fine for someone that can take a day off from work and pay to have them done, but a lot of people don't enjoy that luxury. If they lose a day of work, they lose their job. And not a few of them are already working two or three jobs just to eat and sleep indoors. So now they have a bunch of upscale suburbanites lecturing them on what they need to do to keep the wolves away from the gates surrounding their tract homes. That kind of attitude results in the "political ramifications" that put the lie to the 90% support figure which, as I pointed out earlier, is now around 65%.
So, are you ready to discuss the how the law will affect real people, or do you have another batch of bumper sticker slogans, boilerplate, and insults prepared?
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I don't have the tabs in front of me but I remember this poll included 0 from big sky
Recursion
Apr 2013
#14
what poll? the op mentions a poll, you mention a poll but where is it? where's the link?
spanone
Apr 2013
#19
Every time I read a long post like this, there is always the bottom line
Progressive dog
Apr 2013
#54
Since you apparently did your usual cut and paste reply without bothering to read
Progressive dog
Apr 2013
#101
Unless they used a really biased sample set, it is probably pretty accurate
pediatricmedic
Apr 2013
#30
I tried to call every phone number in the country, but I missed lunch. And dinner.
Buzz Clik
Apr 2013
#31