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In reply to the discussion: Democrats are digging a political hole so deep we may never be able to get out of it? [View all]Savannahmann
(3,891 posts)Called for the Aircraft Carriers to play a supporting role for the Battleships. The main force was the Battleships. The main striking power was the Battleships. The navy was only as powerful as it's Battleships.
All of those plans went out the window, and on 8 December, the United States Navy took stock, and found that that what was left, was the most effective Navy they could have ship for ship. We learned from our defeat, the Battleship Believers claimed that Pearl Harbor was a fluke, because nobody could sink a battleship, a modern battleship underway. Then Prince of Wales was sunk, and that argument was gone for good. The Japanese in a weird sense, did us a favor. We emerged from Pearl Harbor with totally modern battle ideas, ideas that have been updated and adjusted, but remain much the same in the arena of fleet battle today.
The United States Navy learned from it's defeat, it's humiliation. It adjusted it's tactical thinking, and it's fleet composition. Sure, some of that was necessity, there weren't any Battleships ready for battle. But mostly it was grudging admission that the aircraft was the dominant force in naval warfare.
So when someone, like this poster, mentions that we are using outdated tactics, and not learning from our opponents, historically speaking, they may well be right. Stubbornly clinging to the ideas of yesterday, claiming that there is nothing to be learned from our opponents is foolish in the extreme. The Republicans are beating us, and making us look foolish in the process. Those of us who see it, know that we must adjust our tactics to deal with this reality. Those of us who see it, but hate the opponents so much, they refuse to study, to learn from them, are doomed to make the same mistakes.
Imagine, if the United States had not learned from the battle of Pearl Harbor. Imagine if we had kept turning out battleships, sending them down the harbor, off to be destroyed by a few dozen aircraft. Imagine if we had ignored the lessons of Pearl Harbor? That is the scenario many of us see today. We see our enemy showing us new ideas, better tactics, and better strategic thinking. Our answer, same page, same plan, same everything.
We either evolve, or we start to lose even more than we have. You decide how this turns out, because those of you who berate the poster for sounding the alarm are the same as those Battleship Believers of yesteryear. Determined to ignore the reality, and determined to press on with the only thing you know, unwilling to learn that the truth is very different than you imagined. I only hope our leadership is not listening to folks like that, because if they are, the party will see more losses, electoral and legislative, and all of us will suffer.