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Showing Original Post only (View all)Report: Dzhokhar Tsarnaev's repeated requests for a lawyer were ignored [View all]
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/apr/29/tsarnaev-right-to-counsel-deniedBut that controversy was merely about whether he would be advised of his Miranda rights. Now, the Los Angeles Times, almost in passing, reports something which, if true, would be a much more serious violation of core rights than delaying Miranda warnings - namely, that prior to the magistrate's visit to his hospital room, Tsarnaev had repeatedly asked for a lawyer, but the FBI simply ignored those requests, instead allowing the interagency High Value Detainee Interrogation Group to continue to interrogate him alone:
"Tsarnaev has not answered any questions since he was given a lawyer and told he has the right to remain silent by Magistrate Judge Marianne B. Bowler on Monday, officials said.
"Until that point, Tsarnaev had been responding to the interagency High Value Detainee Interrogation Group, including admitting his role in the bombing, authorities said. A senior congressional aide said Tsarnaev had asked several times for a lawyer, but that request was ignored since he was being questioned under the public safety exemption to the Miranda rule."
Delaying Miranda warnings under the "public safety exception" - including under the Obama DOJ's radically expanded version of it - is one thing. But denying him the right to a lawyer after he repeatedly requests one is another thing entirely: as fundamental a violation of crucial guaranteed rights as can be imagined. As the lawyer bmaz comprehensively details in this excellent post, it is virtually unheard of for the "public safety" exception to be used to deny someone their right to a lawyer as opposed to delaying a Miranda warning (the only cases where this has been accepted were when "the intrusion into the constitutional right to counsel ... was so fleeting in both it was no more than a question or two about a weapon on the premises of a search while the search warrant was actively being executed"
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TalkingDog
Apr 2013
OP
Doesn't matter what the police do, once someone asks for a lawyer, nothing the police do after
sabrina 1
Apr 2013
#11
No I have not. And I am not doubting you that the police do not respect the law.
sabrina 1
Apr 2013
#19
"but that request was ignored since he was being questioned under the public safety exemption".
DevonRex
Apr 2013
#10
What did he 'get wrong'? Did you even read the article? Greenwald is referencing the LA Times
sabrina 1
Apr 2013
#12
Greenwald is incorrect in describing the denial of counsel as substantially different than
geek tragedy
Apr 2013
#14
Greenwald is correct to point out that once a suspect asks for an attorney, the questioning
sabrina 1
Apr 2013
#36
Yes, I think this is Greenwald's point. Not so much about this case, but the general abuse of
sabrina 1
May 2013
#57
The justice department already said that they would not use any of the statements so gained
Yo_Mama
May 2013
#51
LOL. Only everything. The whole purpose of the exception is to question the suspect.
DevonRex
Apr 2013
#21
The exception was only for 48 hours. Greenwald was referring to the LA Times claim that
sabrina 1
Apr 2013
#38
Same difference as not Mirandizing--they get to move to exclude the statements given
geek tragedy
Apr 2013
#13
Not with the public exception. But you have to understand what miranda is about and what all of due
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#29
Miranda Rights? All I can think about is those 3 dead (1 child) and the hundreds injured and maimed
demosincebirth
Apr 2013
#31
This is NOT TRUE. The LA Times article he refers to says it was during the exception
DevonRex
Apr 2013
#41