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karynnj

(60,976 posts)
26. We do not know this
Fri Dec 16, 2011, 03:06 PM
Dec 2011

It was clear that he was annoyed when the HCR bill was designed that his and Roberts' alternative was ignored. He spoke often of it being the bipartisan alternative - and it had some support by people here angry with Baucus. I suspect that had it ever been seriously considered as the vehicle for HCR, Roberts and the other Republicans would have found flaws - just as they refused to back the plan that they were given a chance to impact.

Now his idea there was not as bad as this idea. His HCR bill was competing with the bill that was passed. This is competing with the single payer Medicare system which it really can't legitimately compete with - unless the private plans get larger subsidies than Medicare or if they depend on "cream skimming" - in which case they will doom Medicare as we know it.

Cream skimming would be where a private company offers a rate dependent on heath, making it attractive to the those that are healthier. It will likely be that they can not vary the price, but another way to do this is to design benefits that have low preventative costs , but high deductibles on illnesses and injuries. This makes the plan better for people who are healthy, but worse for the most fragile or sickly. If you can deal with one year of the paying the full high deductible, this could save you money because of the lower costs for the services you use while healthy. This assumes that people are free to change every year. Then you could see people select these when healthy and switch to standard Medicare as they get chronic illnesses. Then if the voucher provided the same dollar amount, you actually create a situation where the higher administrative costs of the private plans are more than compensated by the higher medical costs per person. Meanwhile, Medicare will have higher costs per person, but presumably they would be constrained to the amount they get from all the vouchers of people on Medicare.

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Need to vote out conservadems and replace them with progressives/liberals abelenkpe Dec 2011 #1
But when their replacements are lying to you to get elected. RC Dec 2011 #2
We need to get to the root of the problem which is the money these people are getting from sabrina 1 Dec 2011 #3
It doesn't have to. abelenkpe Dec 2011 #6
Ain't it the truth. So much damage can be done in just 2,4,6 years! n/t theophilus Dec 2011 #16
This is the kneejerk response whenever any official does something we don't like karynnj Dec 2011 #25
It's not a knee jerk response when they fail to represent you repeatedly abelenkpe Dec 2011 #31
I do hope that he will pull back from this - deciding it will not be helpful karynnj Dec 2011 #32
You're right people definitely should contact Wyden and express dismay abelenkpe Dec 2011 #35
Because, Sir, He Is Bucking For the 'Useful Idiot' Award 2012 From The Washington Post The Magistrate Dec 2011 #4
Just heard about this on Hartman. I guess it's because he's a stupid motherfucker. Of all goddamn Guy Whitey Corngood Dec 2011 #5
Not stupid, corrupt Doctor_J Dec 2011 #14
I stand corrected. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Dec 2011 #15
We do not know this karynnj Dec 2011 #26
Another butterfly77 Dec 2011 #7
Wyden will be hounded out of office for this aint_no_life_nowhere Dec 2011 #8
WOW!! This is very suprising. I thought for sure that Wyden is one of the more progressive ones. Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2011 #18
Until recently, Thom was an Oregon resident Bluenorthwest Dec 2011 #22
Wyden? He should be dumped because of this. immoderate Dec 2011 #9
Many, way better... Bluenorthwest Dec 2011 #23
Even here in Florida, I knew that Oregon had some good progressive politicians. immoderate Dec 2011 #24
What state does Wyden represent? jwirr Dec 2011 #10
Oregon. Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2011 #19
Bipartisanship. mmonk Dec 2011 #11
Why? MilesColtrane Dec 2011 #12
Follow the money! Bumping for great chart. n/t Mimosa Dec 2011 #13
Baffling! Ron Wyden is not a conservadem. He's actually fairly progressive! Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2011 #17
He probably calculated that he could get away with this garbage, as he's not bullwinkle428 Dec 2011 #20
He's standing in for more high profile Democrats in order to "test market" this concept. BlueIris Dec 2011 #21
Was that what he was doing in 2009 with his bill with Roberts too? karynnj Dec 2011 #28
He also has 5 more years left in his term, since he just got reelected... cascadiance Dec 2011 #29
What pees me off is that now perhaps a Rethug will win our special election to replace David Wu... cascadiance Dec 2011 #27
bi partisanship that gives the repukes the 'win'. xchrom Dec 2011 #30
Why?? Because one of the interest groups paid him to, that's why... Blue_Tires Dec 2011 #33
This is nothing less than a traitorous and stupid move by Wyden flamingdem Dec 2011 #34
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