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Silent3

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148. I was thinking the same thing

Wed May 1, 2013, 08:53 AM

May 2013

A related phenomena is the way people react to stories of studies that state mere tendencies and rough correlations. To make up a fictitious example, imagine a poster links to a study that says, "People who own bicycles tend to read more".

Not only will other posters feel a great need to leap in with their own personal anecdotes about their aunt who reads a lot and doesn't own a bike, and their illiterate brother who does own a bike, but many posters will relate these anecdotes in a sneering tone that says, "So that stupid study is full of shit!".

It seems like a lot of people can't help themselves from turning ideas with shades of gray into binary propositions, and then getting angry at the predictably stupid results of their own oversimplifications.

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I hear people on DU say those with CWP rarely use their guns to shoot others [View all] Generic Other Apr 2013 OP

DV calls are not convictions The Straight Story Apr 2013 #1

Three DV accusations from three different sources equals a history to me conviction or no Generic Other Apr 2013 #2

What says it all is: The Straight Story Apr 2013 #3

+1 (nt) NYC_SKP Apr 2013 #4

your only contribution to this thread is concern for the murderer CreekDog Apr 2013 #64

I'm sure the families of the 4 victims will find comfort in the fact that their murderer geek tragedy Apr 2013 #11

As all surviving friends and family should! AndyA Apr 2013 #59

Your talk of rights presents a false dichotomy Threedifferentones Apr 2013 #63

NRA talking points AndyA Apr 2013 #91

You say my interpretation of your post is inaccurate, then you repeat my interpretation of your post Threedifferentones Apr 2013 #113

From a survivors point of view, my feelings are not exaggerated AndyA May 2013 #149

Your posts are not that opaque. You repeated my interpretation yourself. Threedifferentones May 2013 #197

And you sound like a murder facilitator. 99Forever Apr 2013 #86

My fetish? I don't own one. The Straight Story Apr 2013 #87

Oh please. 99Forever Apr 2013 #90

Hah - well, let me tell you a little secret The Straight Story Apr 2013 #92

And yet you don't seem to care about the rights of... Walk away May 2013 #181

Nice. 99Forever May 2013 #199

There was no proof he was violent before The Straight Story May 2013 #212

Who the fuck said ANYTHING about lynching him? 99Forever May 2013 #213

LYNCHMOB????? Generic Other Apr 2013 #95

To answer you The Straight Story Apr 2013 #100

He was a juvenile when he started abusing women Generic Other Apr 2013 #106

I didn't say I believed he was or he was not The Straight Story Apr 2013 #110

Not my daughter, but feel free to terrorize everyone else's daughters? Generic Other Apr 2013 #114

Who said anything about a right to be violent? The Straight Story Apr 2013 #117

Carrying a concealed gun around other people is an inherently violent act Starboard Tack May 2013 #185

Yes, that's right. That's why it is important for us to do nothing. Will that make you feel better? CTyankee Apr 2013 #9

Nice. Who said that? Oh...you did. Not me The Straight Story Apr 2013 #72

don't blame me about the lack of funding for ATF. Lay it squarely at the feet of CTyankee Apr 2013 #79

Well we find something to agree on The Straight Story Apr 2013 #80

I will believe their commitment when I see it. Here's a thought for them: CTyankee Apr 2013 #83

i hate that gun owner, i'm sorry you don't CreekDog Apr 2013 #62

What has that got to do with the actual conversation here? The Straight Story Apr 2013 #71

I used to help women make third party police reports after they had been raped Generic Other Apr 2013 #101

If America was a church and we reported sins that might work The Straight Story Apr 2013 #104

Again, do you want your daughter to date a person accused of being a violent rapist? Generic Other Apr 2013 #111

And again The Straight Story Apr 2013 #116

Bet you think OJ Simpson was innocent too Generic Other Apr 2013 #121

Once more - it does matter what I think The Straight Story Apr 2013 #126

I would not let my daughter date OJ Simpson Generic Other May 2013 #170

And what about these: The Straight Story Apr 2013 #130

Did you type that without thinking about it Newest Reality May 2013 #151

We are talking about a guy who had three previous accusations of DV Generic Other May 2013 #163

Was that a response to me? Newest Reality May 2013 #169

Excuse me you are the one who butted into my conversation with The Straight Story Generic Other May 2013 #171

Oh, Newest Reality May 2013 #172

Like I said happy to include you Generic Other May 2013 #175

Thanks so much! Newest Reality May 2013 #178

Well, he damned sure wasn't innocent of the armed robbery premium May 2013 #179

I didn't know he did that!! Generic Other May 2013 #187

Yep. premium May 2013 #189

Oh sorry I misunderstood Generic Other May 2013 #196

But...but...but... Aristus Apr 2013 #5

His presumption of innocence dictates he not be sanctioned without a conviction. TheKentuckian Apr 2013 #6

Precisely. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2013 #7

therefore, it follows logically that since that may be true, it makes it right to ignore dv and CTyankee Apr 2013 #10

No - the solution is to aggressively prosecute domestic violence hack89 Apr 2013 #15

well, that's ONE thing we should be doing....but surely not the only thing... CTyankee Apr 2013 #18

You cannot restrict a constitutional right without due process hack89 Apr 2013 #21

we have a "time, place and manner" exception to certain first amendment rights. CTyankee Apr 2013 #25

But to completely remove someone's 1st amendment rights hack89 Apr 2013 #28

Well, IMO, it is a "reasonable restriction" to assure people of their right not to be CTyankee Apr 2013 #30

By that logic, any and all constitutional rights can be severely restricted. hack89 Apr 2013 #34

Sane public safety. Please, do I HAVE to explain this elementary idea to you... CTyankee Apr 2013 #46

So you do support stop and frisk? Unlimited search and seizure? hack89 Apr 2013 #48

OF COURSE, I have a problem with the 2nd A. in the way this Supreme Court CTyankee Apr 2013 #53

No - I just passionately support due process. hack89 Apr 2013 #54

Well, what can be done should be done IMO. CTyankee Apr 2013 #67

Do what every you must within the constraints of due process. hack89 Apr 2013 #74

the right to join a militia? ... eom Kolesar Apr 2013 #33

Or the right to self defense in the home with a handgun. hack89 Apr 2013 #37

I believe three accusations from different women (clearly afraid to press charges) Generic Other Apr 2013 #94

Accusations do not equal guilt. That is why we have courts and judges. nt hack89 Apr 2013 #102

Again I ask, are you going to let him date your daughter? Generic Other Apr 2013 #112

Are you saying they never deny or revoke permits over multiple allegations? Generic Other Apr 2013 #123

A tempory revocation is fine. hack89 Apr 2013 #127

Allegations of child abuse trigger action by CPS Generic Other May 2013 #174

He should have been investigated. hack89 May 2013 #180

He is as innocent as OJ Simpson Generic Other May 2013 #182

He is innocent in the eyes of the law. We are a nation of laws. hack89 May 2013 #184

we've disagreed a fair bit in the past, but I'm with you 100% on this 0rganism Apr 2013 #52

Actually, there's nothing remotely logical about that progression. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2013 #22

Then, what is YOUR plan? CTyankee Apr 2013 #31

A couple ideas: Lizzie Poppet Apr 2013 #68

then you should get busy and work to get these things accomplished. CTyankee Apr 2013 #70

A CWP is not a right it is a privilege. Warren Stupidity May 2013 #135

Perhaps - but that person can still own guns hack89 May 2013 #136

"some here are saying" - that his CWP shouldn't have been revoked. Warren Stupidity May 2013 #161

Lets look closer at the OP, shall we? hack89 May 2013 #165

I didn't respond to the op. I responded to assertions that due process and in fact a conviction Warren Stupidity May 2013 #191

I am not sure about WA law, sarisataka Apr 2013 #8

that sounds like a good solution. I'm glad SOME people are not just giving up but trying to CTyankee Apr 2013 #13

I truly believe sarisataka Apr 2013 #27

This is the problem with treating ownership of a deadly weapon as a fundamental right. geek tragedy Apr 2013 #12

Exactly the case. It is the shame of America... CTyankee Apr 2013 #14

It is America. The love of violence is a distinctly American vice. geek tragedy Apr 2013 #16

And it is only getting worse... CTyankee Apr 2013 #19

No it is not getting worse hack89 Apr 2013 #24

Oh,yes..."you were never safer" right? CTyankee Apr 2013 #26

Care to address the actual crime statistics? hack89 Apr 2013 #29

YOUR crime "statistics"? Surely you jest.. CTyankee Apr 2013 #36

No - the FBI's and DOJ's crime statistics hack89 Apr 2013 #40

YOUR "version? please... CTyankee Apr 2013 #43

No - the official version on the FBI web site (I sent you the link). nt hack89 Apr 2013 #45

To lump all violent crimes with gun deaths mikeysnot Apr 2013 #47

Guns deaths are at a historic low as well. hack89 Apr 2013 #50

So guns are the problem mikeysnot Apr 2013 #55

It is not complicated - it just takes some time and real interest on your part. hack89 Apr 2013 #58

That must be one of those NRA Bay Boy Apr 2013 #60

thank you for this mikeysnot Apr 2013 #61

I would reduce suicide first hack89 Apr 2013 #65

I would like a psych test for all gun owners mikeysnot Apr 2013 #81

And I would like free beer and chocolate. hack89 Apr 2013 #89

You are assuming? mikeysnot Apr 2013 #96

So these psych evals will be free? hack89 Apr 2013 #103

"free mental health care just for gun owners - that will be a big hit with the public. " mikeysnot Apr 2013 #119

"Deal with it"? Deal with what - your personal fantasy ? hack89 Apr 2013 #124

You sounds very troubled. mikeysnot May 2013 #152

Troubled about what? hack89 May 2013 #157

It is not about disagreeing mikeysnot May 2013 #159

There aren't enough psychiatrist & psychologists in the U.S. to give that many tests. GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #115

Sounds like you know you would fail. mikeysnot Apr 2013 #120

I have already passed multiple FBI background checks. GreenStormCloud May 2013 #132

For some reason I believe mikeysnot May 2013 #154

Probably be much the same. GreenStormCloud May 2013 #166

FYI this guy passed an FBI background check mikeysnot May 2013 #193

Nothing is 100%. GreenStormCloud May 2013 #198

Oh, I am so DONE with even bothering to debate the gunners on their deceiving charts. CTyankee Apr 2013 #82

Actaully I like bad movies! mikeysnot Apr 2013 #97

"deceiving charts" = facts I can't refute hack89 May 2013 #137

Yep, right on cue, heard THAT one over and over again... CTyankee May 2013 #138

You are the one denying official FBI and DOJ crime statistics hack89 May 2013 #139

"You were never safer" CTyankee May 2013 #141

16,700 gun murders in 1995, 8600 in 2011. hack89 May 2013 #142

buddy, I've already been thru all of this with another pro-gunner and seen the cherry CTyankee May 2013 #143

Those are straight from the FBI - are you saying AG Holder is cooking the books? nt hack89 May 2013 #144

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2776607 CTyankee May 2013 #146

So you have no actual facts or statistics to refute the FBI? hack89 May 2013 #147

Pay more attention next time to those who have refuted your "interpretation" of the CTyankee May 2013 #150

I didn't interpret anything - I simply presented hard numbers and statistics hack89 May 2013 #153

So show us all where you get your crime statistics from. hack89 May 2013 #145

Here, among other places CTyankee May 2013 #200

I meant hard numbers on gun violence hack89 May 2013 #201

Look, we've been thru this and I can tell you that in past discussions on these data CTyankee May 2013 #202

Hard numbers don't need to be interpreted hack89 May 2013 #203

well, then, gun control works! CTyankee May 2013 #204

So you view the past 20 years as an era of increased gun control? hack89 May 2013 #205

Oh, from your "perspective." I see. Kinda like "interpretation." CTyankee May 2013 #206

I am just asking for you to at least acknowledge reality hack89 May 2013 #207

Evidently you do. And what personal attack is saying you stand with the NRA? CTyankee May 2013 #208

I support every gun control proposal the president wants hack89 May 2013 #209

I dunno. You seemed a little hurt. CTyankee May 2013 #210

I understand just fine. They don't support your view of gun violence hack89 May 2013 #211

Just imagine how nice it would be to be more like mikeysnot May 2013 #155

I agree that mental health reform and suicide prevention should be a national priority hack89 May 2013 #158

It would save more lives than any gun control legislation ever could. mikeysnot May 2013 #160

Actually, Israel's suicide rate has remained pretty consistent over time hack89 May 2013 #164

Here you go.... mikeysnot May 2013 #167

So how do we take away access to guns like the Israeli army did? hack89 May 2013 #176

Well what ever I propose mikeysnot May 2013 #192

Some of your proposals may work, other perhaps not hack89 May 2013 #194

I will just start with mikeysnot May 2013 #195

Gun suicides are a problem. My cousin killed himself Jennicut Apr 2013 #69

There is a theory that mass shootings are another form of suicide hack89 Apr 2013 #75

So... Pelican Apr 2013 #32

old... CTyankee Apr 2013 #38

I see that you are new. That must explain it. CTyankee Apr 2013 #88

Are you disputing that comment? Bay Boy Apr 2013 #35

lame... CTyankee Apr 2013 #39

That doesn't help move Bay Boy Apr 2013 #44

I will say this once and I will not say it again. I have seen those arguments. CTyankee Apr 2013 #51

In this case, as is the case in a good chunk of other shootings by CCW permittees... krispos42 Apr 2013 #17

umm loyalsister Apr 2013 #23

No argument there. krispos42 Apr 2013 #66

except... loyalsister Apr 2013 #76

Entirely true... krispos42 Apr 2013 #85

They knew at the time that he had some DV accusations loyalsister Apr 2013 #98

Don't you tire of your shameful apologia? morningfog Apr 2013 #108

Sorry if facts keep interfering with what you'd like to believe. krispos42 Apr 2013 #125

It's always something. morningfog Apr 2013 #128

I would like to see Ma gun laws implemented across the whole country Marrah_G Apr 2013 #20

Oh great... Bay Boy Apr 2013 #41

NRA supports felons with guns sigmasix Apr 2013 #42

You nailed it. Fiefdoms like Belle Isle, Independence Park, the Citadel, to name a few of them. freshwest Apr 2013 #77

Link to petition, I live in WA marlakay Apr 2013 #49

This is where I saw that info Generic Other Apr 2013 #122

Yep, plenty of examples. Heck, NRA Prez's son was convicted of shooting an unarmed motorist. Hoyt Apr 2013 #56

They will also tell you that people with conceal carry permit don't have tempers liberal N proud Apr 2013 #57

No joke. There are folks right here that say they are better behaved with a gun in their pants. Hoyt Apr 2013 #73

Actually, I'm probably one of them. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2013 #84

Sad that it takes a gun to help you act decently. It also shows you have a temper, which does not Hoyt Apr 2013 #93

FFS, did you even READ what I wrote? Lizzie Poppet Apr 2013 #99

You stuck your gun into conversation using gun lore about how a gun made you behave better. Hoyt Apr 2013 #107

Into a conversation about guns...imagine that! Lizzie Poppet Apr 2013 #109

Perhaps you should review some statistics on the matter. GreenStormCloud May 2013 #133

I can take cover from lightning and reduce that risk liberal N proud May 2013 #134

Let's take a look at them. GreenStormCloud May 2013 #156

That line is so full of crap, it stinks! liberal N proud May 2013 #173

Are you aware that "rarely" is not synonymous with "never"? 11 Bravo Apr 2013 #78

Yes Generic Other May 2013 #186

Most of the pro-gun people here support background checks. GreenStormCloud May 2013 #188

Here in Kansas our Republican legislature amended our tblue37 Apr 2013 #105

... Neoma Apr 2013 #118

Not to be pedantic, but... sylvi Apr 2013 #129

IOW, its more of a confirmation... Pelican May 2013 #140

I was thinking the same thing Silent3 May 2013 #148

CWP johnwarde Apr 2013 #131

Some people smoke a pack a day on never get lung cancer. nt. Warren Stupidity May 2013 #162

It is extremely rare for a CCWer to illegally shoot anyone. GreenStormCloud May 2013 #168

I am very glad to hear that Generic Other May 2013 #183

Oh look another irrelevant gunner argument. Warren Stupidity May 2013 #190

I am not advocating taking your permit from you Generic Other May 2013 #177