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moriah

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141. Glad you said "often", because otherwise....

Tue Feb 7, 2012, 04:11 AM

Feb 2012

... it'd be awful similar to saying "boys will be boys, it's your responsibility to put up the stop sign or what happens is your own fault" to a teen girl. (I remember hearing those words from my grandmother's mouth, being said to my sister... who at the time was being molested, and my Granny didn't know about it. It really threw my sister into a guilt trip, blaming herself for not saying no loudly or forcefully enough to stop an adult from hurting her.)

I personally don't see things like contact sports, sparring for fun, or fragging the heck out of your friends on Halo as violence or aggression. That's "guy-ness".

Actual fistfights with the intent to hurt the person, shooting real people for the fun of it instead of doing it to serve/defend your country? Yeah, that's aggression and violence. Not "guy-ness".

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"Why I rejected Plan B after my disabled daughter was raped" [View all] proud2BlibKansan Feb 2012 OP

No matter what, the fetus must be saved... MineralMan Feb 2012 #1

not a fetus d_r Feb 2012 #147

Only one side of this fight wants people to have a choice. phantom power Feb 2012 #2

Amen. They are such control freaks! proud2BlibKansan Feb 2012 #6

It's awesome that she had a choice OriginalGeek Feb 2012 #3

She didn't, her mother made the choice. Lionessa Feb 2012 #5

Does she plan to rip the rape kid out of her daughter's arms and put it up for adoption? aquart Feb 2012 #13

Thank you! OriginalGeek Feb 2012 #16

And to inflict the possibility of a rape child on a mentally disabled person at that! NUTS, they Lionessa Feb 2012 #4

Regardless, she still has the right to make her own choice proud2BlibKansan Feb 2012 #7

Please explain joeglow3 Feb 2012 #106

In these situations, courts appoint a GAL obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #110

First of all, we don't know how disabled she is proud2BlibKansan Feb 2012 #116

And if, God forbid, her daughter is pregnant and has complications .... polly7 Feb 2012 #8

God's plan. aquart Feb 2012 #14

God is NEVER the problem here Zalatix Feb 2012 #58

what stupidity. I'm sorry this woman's daughter has to suffer RainDog Feb 2012 #9

Rewarding rape is such a clever idea aquart Feb 2012 #10

+1 000 000 000. Indeed. I much prefer the approach used by the women kestrel91316 Feb 2012 #17

Eugenics = "amazingly clever"? n/t lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #36

Yes it is clever! Boudica the Lyoness Feb 2012 #42

Did you like the part in the book where they bred out homosexuality? n/t lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #46

*crickets* Zalatix Feb 2012 #73

How many generations would a society survive... lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #76

I'm glad that... meaculpa2011 Feb 2012 #107

A child born of rape is a rape child obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #113

In the same way a child born out of wedlock is a bastard, right? Occulus Feb 2012 #115

Obviously not. meaculpa2011 Feb 2012 #117

Not quite. A child born of rape is simply a child LanternWaste Feb 2012 #122

You don't think there is a genetic predisposition Ilsa Feb 2012 #124

thank you Bluerthanblue Feb 2012 #126

I had forgotten about that part. I really wish she'd left that out. Enjoy the idea of uppityperson Feb 2012 #125

Top to bottom, the idea is ridiculous and offensive in equal measure. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #128

Are you saying aggression="guy-ness"?I saw it as breeding out aggression in both sexes.Crickets? uppityperson Feb 2012 #130

Yes. What women see as violence and aggression is often simply guy-ness. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #136

Glad you said "often", because otherwise.... moriah Feb 2012 #141

When a man hears "boys will be boys" he hears a different message than a woman does. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #145

And I probably should have clarified.... moriah Feb 2012 #146

Stupid, fatal premise #1 of the book: Zalatix Feb 2012 #56

It's funny how "biological determinism" is considered such bad science when anyone suggests, Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #99

Girls: sugar and spice and everthing nice, if they choose. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #119

Sadly, I don't think we can Lunacee2012 Feb 2012 #138

This is how I've explained that I could never carry a rapist's child. Ilsa Feb 2012 #123

"my lovely, incredible, sweet, mentally ill daughter"... richmwill Feb 2012 #11

I wonder if the mentally ill was inherited? nt tsuki Feb 2012 #27

The daughter was adopted. Boudica the Lyoness Feb 2012 #43

not that it matters- Bluerthanblue Feb 2012 #44

Hey, that's not funny. Zalatix Feb 2012 #57

no woman should have to make such a difficult decision Enrique Feb 2012 #12

wow, this woman has some real issues niyad Feb 2012 #15

Plan B is a contraceptive and: Jumping John Feb 2012 #18

Yes, Plan B is just a mega dose of plain BC HockeyMom Feb 2012 #70

Yeah, it says right on the package pokerfan Feb 2012 #96

the interview with her makes her sound even loonier, and nowhere does it actually give the niyad Feb 2012 #19

�That kind of medication makes you have an abortion if you�re pregnant.� Sigh. No. It prevents preg uppityperson Feb 2012 #28

first, we have to ask Ron Paul... IcyPeas Feb 2012 #20

Amazing rationalization. A rapist doing God's work? Old and In the Way Feb 2012 #21

Lucky fetus libodem Feb 2012 #22

Forcing a girl with limited cognitive abilities" to bear a child after rape? hlthe2b Feb 2012 #23

according to the interview, the daughter's cognitive functioning is about that of an 8 year old. niyad Feb 2012 #30

Yep. LisaL Feb 2012 #49

As I said elsewhere in this thread: why didn't the court get involved? obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #114

The parents are committing child abuse. Dawson Leery Feb 2012 #33

Well said. Boudica the Lyoness Feb 2012 #45

Limited cognitive abilities to me HockeyMom Feb 2012 #112

page doesn't load but let me guess pitohui Feb 2012 #24

She was going to "pass out" because a conference room was named after a champion of women's rights? Matariki Feb 2012 #25

It's a difficult decision to be sure. Turbineguy Feb 2012 #26

Look at ME! Look at ME! tsuki Feb 2012 #29

Exactly! proud2BlibKansan Feb 2012 #34

My thoughts exactly. It's all about her, and HER holiness. I weep for the poor daughter. anneboleyn Feb 2012 #83

"Employed at a think Tank"... BiggJawn Feb 2012 #31

supposedly an "ecumenical" think tank niyad Feb 2012 #71

"Free market economics" is the key word here Lydia Leftcoast Feb 2012 #89

Ug. "Ecumenical" in this case sounds like... JHB Feb 2012 #103

What was done in Day Hab and Group Homes where I worked HockeyMom Feb 2012 #32

I worked in a state agency with MR/MI. xmas74 Feb 2012 #40

In those cases Kellerfeller Feb 2012 #108

a) how old is the daughter? b) does mom have power of attorney? lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #35

Reprehensible! This is all about Mom, the "think tank" Raven Feb 2012 #37

Supposedly LisaL Feb 2012 #50

and thank you so much for pointing out her violation of her daughter's privacy in making this public niyad Feb 2012 #64

Exactly. It's reprehensible. anneboleyn Feb 2012 #84

WHO IS THIS NUT??!! I mean, it's not like we don't have <<7 BILLION people on the planet>> Ecumenist Feb 2012 #38

I'd have removed daughter from insane mom's custody right then and there. hunter Feb 2012 #39

plan B wouldn't have caused an abortion, it would have prevented Bluerthanblue Feb 2012 #41

very true - this is one step from every sperm is sarcred Locrian Feb 2012 #53

Yesch! Cleita Feb 2012 #47

life is like a box of chocolates you never know what you are going to get dembotoz Feb 2012 #48

This mom of a special needs child wants to know why that mom would want to inflict her daughter with jillan Feb 2012 #51

My friend who has a special needs child asked the same thing on my Facebook page. proud2BlibKansan Feb 2012 #55

Your daughter's just been raped, and you almost pass out because of the name of the conference room? Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #52

Yes, she's crazy. proud2BlibKansan Feb 2012 #54

Proof that orphanages are not always the worst choice Generic Other Feb 2012 #59

It is, however, the more consistent "pro life" position. Lizzie Poppet Feb 2012 #60

and yet, she plainly states that she would have had no problem killing the rapist. just a tad niyad Feb 2012 #66

No argument there! Lizzie Poppet Feb 2012 #81

Agreed metalbot Feb 2012 #82

Consistency isn't a virtue if it's being consistently evil. 2ndAmForComputers Feb 2012 #139

My heart goes out. It realy does. My logic sees a problem.......... wandy Feb 2012 #61

Yup... its a propaganda piece. JoePhilly Feb 2012 #62

I was angry at first but now think she's full of crap. xmas74 Feb 2012 #63

Wow. The plot thickens. proud2BlibKansan Feb 2012 #65

At least someone knows. xmas74 Feb 2012 #77

according to her, this attack happened the first of last week. I am going to look at the news niyad Feb 2012 #69

Exactly. xmas74 Feb 2012 #79

Great post. anneboleyn Feb 2012 #87

Ty but it's just how I feel. xmas74 Feb 2012 #101

I'm sure she's an intensely private person who couldn't drag her daughter through the media glare. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #129

Maybe she even lied about the whole situation. Auntie Bush Feb 2012 #78

I don't think you could check with the hospital. xmas74 Feb 2012 #80

"Gloria Steinem Conference Room. that alone almost made me pass out." Oh give me a break! Raine Feb 2012 #67

"I'd just cut my foot off with a chainsaw- and they took me to the Richard Nixon emergency room!" Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #75

she is a staff member at the action institute niyad Feb 2012 #68

That mother is an asswipe!!! Odin2005 Feb 2012 #72

Assuming this isn't just a piece of RW creative writing... jmowreader Feb 2012 #74

That is a really rough story.. BrentWil Feb 2012 #85

It's one thing that she made the decision that she did. Saving Hawaii Feb 2012 #91

I kind of doubt the story is real after a second read, anyway. NT BrentWil Feb 2012 #92

and yet, she would have had no problem killing the supposed rapist niyad Feb 2012 #94

You know, I grew up Catholic. I'm pro-choice but very much opposed to abortion. Saving Hawaii Feb 2012 #86

My "Dark-haired Daughter" -- does this seem odd? The whole thing just has the weirdest tone. anneboleyn Feb 2012 #88

that "dark-haired daughter" weirdness was the first thing I noticed. and, I don't recall any niyad Feb 2012 #93

And that's something that would have made the air. xmas74 Feb 2012 #102

there should be a special place in hell for "mothers" like Elise Hilton. Terra Alta Feb 2012 #90

I despise this woman KT2000 Feb 2012 #95

Let's set aside the situation for a moment. Neoma Feb 2012 #97

Sounds like a manufactured story to me Digit Feb 2012 #98

I agree proud2BlibKansan Feb 2012 #100

Who Produces LifeSiteNews? (the link in the OP) JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2012 #104

Because this is an important issue proud2BlibKansan Feb 2012 #105

Gloria Steinem Conference room? This reeks to high heaven of pure BS. MattBaggins Feb 2012 #109

I agree--especially when given the fact that author works for "think tank" obviously librechik Feb 2012 #127

I do not understand why a GAL wasn't appointed obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #111

Disgusting. This woman makes me sick. Arugula Latte Feb 2012 #118

Several things wrong with this blog post and the subsequent "interview" justiceischeap Feb 2012 #120

Acknowledging the perfect joy of suffering ... GeorgeGist Feb 2012 #121

Yeah, I am crying bullshit. 'Gloria Steinem Conference Room'?? WTF? renie408 Feb 2012 #131

Elise Hilton is either crazy, lying or crazy. renie408 Feb 2012 #132

Yep, going with lying. renie408 Feb 2012 #135

West Grand Rapids YWCA appears to have a "Gloria Steinem Conference Room"... AnnNYC Feb 2012 #143

It's Very Telling That She Equated the Name of A Room to the Horror of What Happened to her... Yavin4 Feb 2012 #133

"Gay Girl in Damascus" Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2012 #134

If this girl is so disabled Lunacee2012 Feb 2012 #137

If she's that disabled, proud2BlibKansan Feb 2012 #140

Agreed, nt. Lunacee2012 Feb 2012 #142

People with disabilities get decisions made for them all the time KamaAina Feb 2012 #144