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davidn3600

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43. The issue is guns

Reply to Douglas Carpenter (Original post)

Thu May 2, 2013, 05:00 AM

May 2013

Republicans believe the Democrats ultimate long-term goal is the removal and ban of all firearms from the civilian population. And a growing number of Republicans think they may have to go into rebellion in order to protect what they firmly believe is their right to keep and bear arms.

The reality is that the two sides of this debate cannot see eye-to-eye. There is a colossal difference in how each side views guns. The right wing feels as strongly about guns as the left does about abortion.

And this is why I opposed this debate and thought it was a bad idea for Obama to go into it. First off, he's not going to win. Republicans have enough votes in the Senate and House to kill it. Second, it will only end up further dividing the country.

If anyone should be calling for revolution, it should be the lower and middle class. This government is baling out the rich every day and leaving the poor holding an empty bag of promises. And yes, Obama is becoming part of the problem.

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new poll shows 44% of rank-and-file Republicans believe a violent uprising may be necessary soon [View all] Douglas Carpenter May 2013 OP

How could they be visualizing such a preposterous, impossible scenario? nt ladjf May 2013 #1

When was the last time Republicans envisioned anything that was not completely insane? Bjorn Against May 2013 #5

Thirty years of "trust us, not the traitorous Liberal Media", normalizing what... JHB May 2013 #46

Weren't they envisioning Sarah Palin as possibly President? CanonRay May 2013 #51

That was john mccain's biggest blunder. nt ladjf May 2013 #69

Yes, but rank and file Republicans loved her CanonRay May 2013 #97

That may be true. However, for most Americans, her bloom has faded. nt ladjf May 2013 #98

Frankenstien's Monster Politicalboi May 2013 #2

Hmm, I wonder why. Propaganda has become privatized just like everything else. Big Brother LLC. arcane1 May 2013 #3

Bam..... think May 2013 #52

You got it. Won't be much freedom after that, huh. freshwest May 2013 #86

Bunch of old geezers with guns and most with no training vs tanks, jets, and bombs MillennialDem May 2013 #4

No one will win, many would die Bjorn Against May 2013 #9

They would be confined to guerrilla war only. Any organization = death from above for them MillennialDem May 2013 #13

And guerilla war can kill a lot of people Bjorn Against May 2013 #17

Doesn't that presume an intact military fighting for the government? Lizzie Poppet May 2013 #53

Defecting is punishable by death, you know that right? Also, while many if not most in MillennialDem May 2013 #64

Of course. Lizzie Poppet May 2013 #67

It's a huge gamble and you really have to believe in the cause that you're going for and that MillennialDem May 2013 #74

The tiny few that would actually fight mwrguy May 2013 #40

You're talking about "asymmetrical" warfare... which tends to lead to terrorism Bucky May 2013 #80

How many want to return to the days of slavery? Coyotl May 2013 #6

Probably many more GP6971 May 2013 #10

Ding ding we have a winner malaise May 2013 #44

"freedoms and liberties equal white privilege" plus colonialism and empire Coyotl May 2013 #47

couldn't heaven05 May 2013 #58

They want to restore the Articles of the Confederacy, not the US Constitution. It's too 'librul.' freshwest May 2013 #88

I've found that conservatives in general cast themselves as heroes in the movies. truebluegreen May 2013 #7

What is it with these clowns and playing dress-up? lpbk2713 May 2013 #8

Ummm... Common Sense Party May 2013 #34

They're not afraid losing liberty, they're afraid losing of privilege SpartanDem May 2013 #11

couldn't heaven05 May 2013 #57

Nailed it. freshwest May 2013 #99

not to sound superstitious or to suggest my dreams can tell the future -but I actually dreamed this Douglas Carpenter May 2013 #12

And the Global Plutocrats want to break up the USA to steal the minerals Coyotl May 2013 #14

44% of 20% LostOne4Ever May 2013 #15

of course, they're not going to win..but they sure could cause a lot of problems Douglas Carpenter May 2013 #18

8% of the population in armed revolt would mean millions dead, 8% of the population is a huge number Bjorn Against May 2013 #19

I wouldn't take this so seriously. These people are a joke. Dash87 May 2013 #25

8-9% of the US population would be a massive army. Gravitycollapse May 2013 #38

Well LostOne4Ever May 2013 #41

So guys like that one in the picture are going to fight the military? Rex May 2013 #16

What does it mean-that's simple Progressive dog May 2013 #20

Yes they can.. Dwayne Hicks May 2013 #100

Does that mean a month of pants-shitting to avoid doing anything for them? flvegan May 2013 #21

It's funny because they aren't going to do a thing. Dash87 May 2013 #22

All they need is a charismatic leader. hedda_foil May 2013 #24

They're more than ready to commence whining some more. Dash87 May 2013 #26

Ted Nugent newmember May 2013 #29

Bullshit...for that "leader" to actually CHALLENGE anything, they have to EITHER: Volaris May 2013 #31

Unless that charismatic leader can cure diabetes, I won't be too concerned. /nt Marr May 2013 #32

I very seldom agree with the NeoCons mick063 May 2013 #23

Why don't they love America? Why would they rise up against our brave soldiers who fight for CAG May 2013 #27

Poll: 3 in 10 voters say �armed revolution might be necessary� rrneck May 2013 #28

And if they had taken this poll back in early 2005, the numbers would've been flipped. nt Common Sense Party May 2013 #36

I wouldn't be a bit surprised. nt rrneck May 2013 #37

Do you remember early 2005 CJCRANE May 2013 #60

Yes, I do. Every few days there was a thread about the upcoming revolution. Common Sense Party May 2013 #68

You obviously remember it different to me. I'd be interested to see what other DUers say. CJCRANE May 2013 #78

Oh, they weren't explicit about it--those who were had their posts deleted. But they danced around Common Sense Party May 2013 #82

DU is a tiny corner of the internet, even moreso back in those days. CJCRANE May 2013 #83

I realize it's a teeny, miniscule, almost insignificant part of the American electorate. Common Sense Party May 2013 #90

Nope, you are mistaken! We did not want Bush or Cheney murdered mrdmk May 2013 #91

Except the right-wingers today are up in arms over an alternate universe created by Fox News high density May 2013 #96

And where do you suppose they'd strike, if they actually had the guts? Marr May 2013 #30

Necessary for WHAT? They don't even know what they want. BlueStreak May 2013 #33

And Boehner is the biggest crybaby of them all -- literally. (n/t) LAGC May 2013 #42

They know exactly what they want. name not needed May 2013 #76

And DUers called for Revolution throughout the * years as well. Common Sense Party May 2013 #35

.Just 18 percent of Democrats think an armed revolution may be necessary, as opposed to 44 percent Douglas Carpenter May 2013 #45

Flip the White House and watch those numbers reverse. Lizzie Poppet May 2013 #54

oh come on - there is no equivalency - that's ridiculous Douglas Carpenter May 2013 #75

I think 20% would be our high water mark. I fear that theirs may be north of 50. Bucky May 2013 #81

I'd sure like to think so. Lizzie Poppet May 2013 #84

No we did not, you are making that up. Rex May 2013 #61

No, I am not making it up. Common Sense Party May 2013 #71

link and quote? tia uponit7771 May 2013 #70

. Common Sense Party May 2013 #72

Yeah and 95% of them still believe the south is going to rise again krawhitham May 2013 #39

The issue is guns davidn3600 May 2013 #43

"Republicans believe the Democrats ultimate...goal is the...ban of all [civilian] firearms" zinnisking May 2013 #93

They are only unwitting dupes of their corporate masters. hobbit709 May 2013 #48

And yet 40% of voters say giving up civil liberties to fight terrorism is ok n2doc May 2013 #49

Are these the same Republicans who won't respond to climate change because the end is coming? Faryn Balyncd May 2013 #50

Are you proud of your party, Republicans? Arugula Latte May 2013 #55

The Grumpy Old Party is getting grumpier...and more ludicrous. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2013 #56

Was the West Fertilizer Co. stockpiling ammonium nitrate? moondust May 2013 #59

Our Liberties...Us VS Them...Hmmmm grilled onions May 2013 #62

.... DeSwiss May 2013 #63

But they weren't worried in the Bush era CJCRANE May 2013 #87

We both know EXACTLY what changed. DeSwiss May 2013 #94

Republicans are ripe for a Third Party candidate... kentuck May 2013 #65

So let me get this straight: Initech May 2013 #66

"Bring it on!" Scurrilous May 2013 #73

I means those most covetous of gun rights ... Deep13 May 2013 #77

Who even thought to ask such a question in a survey? Bucky May 2013 #79

That's where we are headed, MadHound May 2013 #85

good thing they're mostly too old and fat to take to the streets librechik May 2013 #89

I fear a sneeze could make this go hot. n/t zappaman May 2013 #92

Well, now we know who the real terrorists and traitors are! n/t RKP5637 May 2013 #95

And 0% of them get the red out May 2013 #101