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sofa king

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36. I am repeatedly accused of being a "hugger."
Thu May 2, 2013, 01:28 PM
May 2013

I don't like guns, don't carry guns, don't own guns, do not feel I need guns, and hope I never have to use one violently. I do not think guns are well-regulated, and I want that to change.

I do, however, insist that whatever else is the case, guns shall be omnipresent in American culture for hundreds of years to come, because there are tens of millions of them hidden away or stored and not registered. Worse, in less than a decade people will probably be able to manufacture firearms and ammunition from within their own homes using 3D printers. Soon even the countries that currently have decent gun control will be unable to stop the proliferation of firearms.

The public will never be disarmed, and attempting to do so, or even talking about, or allowing our opponent to tell uninformed voters that we're talking about it, has the opposite effect.

Note for example that the ammunition plants have been in continuous 24/7 production since the beginning of this year, meaning that while a background check bill can't reach a floor vote in the Senate, gun owners have stockpiled enough ammunition to fight a war in the first four months of this year alone--the exact fucking opposite of what we want. That is what is actually happening, right now.

So we as a society had better come to terms with the fact that guns and gun violence will not be addressed by outlawing guns, but by better regulating them as the Constitution demands and more importantly, by figuring out how to find and help crazy-ass fucking people, who are the real problem.

Just because it used to be an NRA slogan doesn't mean it is not true: some people can turn into killers who use the tools available to them to kill. They will never run out of tools or diabolical ideas, but we might be able to stop a lot of the rampages by finding and treating these people before they pop off. That is how we are going to temper gun violence, someday.

When I say this, when I pop the balloon of others here by pointing out that "getting rid of guns" will never happen because of the nature of the problem, when I insist that functional knowledge of how guns work and what they do is the key to their effective regulation, I get called a gun-lover, every time, as I will this time.

And that's fine. If I allowed myself to listen to believers, rather than thinkers, I'd still be going to church.

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The several posts on "your child's first rifle" probably outline the divide best Recursion May 2013 #1
Excellent question! Lizzie Poppet May 2013 #2
The definition is Nuclear Unicorn May 2013 #71
*slow, measured applause* Lizzie Poppet May 2013 #75
It starts with the patriarchy.... snooper2 May 2013 #3
People who vote for guns over their family's best interests, gun hoarders, gun show McVeigh types... onehandle May 2013 #4
Gun nuts liberal N proud May 2013 #27
+1 ellisonz May 2013 #92
The treatment of guns as good things or an integral part of life. nt geek tragedy May 2013 #5
Guns are a tool, MadHound May 2013 #6
Do people incorporate table saws or ball ping hammers into their sense of geek tragedy May 2013 #8
Some do, some don't MadHound May 2013 #10
Actually, next to my hammers on the wall is a Remington .22 on some hooks snooper2 May 2013 #45
I bet you live in a city. joeglow3 May 2013 #109
What gave it away? nt geek tragedy May 2013 #110
Saying "Nobody needs a gun." joeglow3 May 2013 #111
Anybody who calls a gun a tool is part of the problem Uzair May 2013 #12
Lots of tools are weapons, MadHound May 2013 #13
A gun is a tool which happens to be a weapon, premium May 2013 #18
Um..."weapons" is a subset of "tools." Lizzie Poppet May 2013 #84
That's why I gave my niece a reciprocal saw for her fifth birthday. bluedigger May 2013 #101
*YUP* Sheepshank May 2013 #31
reminds me of the pit-bull crowd . . . "what, exactly, is a pit bull?" DrDan May 2013 #7
Ironically Recursion May 2013 #15
If pressed to answer.... Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #9
But there are indeed collectible guns MadHound May 2013 #11
There's a difference between true historical artifacts and treating modern day weaponry like stamps. Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #14
Modern weapons are marvels of engineering... Pelican May 2013 #17
So is the space shuttle. So are lots of things. Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #19
Knives, swords and other such weapons are also collectible MadHound May 2013 #22
Again, it's all a matter of context. Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #47
Dark to you maybe... Pelican May 2013 #23
You Depend On Your Weapon DAILY Yet You Still Find The Time To Post On DU HangOnKids May 2013 #37
Ummm... Yes? Pelican May 2013 #38
No HangOnKids May 2013 #39
No problem... Pelican May 2013 #40
Sorry not interested in explaining HangOnKids May 2013 #41
Strangely familiar. Kingofalldems May 2013 #44
What exactly do you do? Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #46
What is really concerning are those who carry to protect others. Hoyt May 2013 #76
Doesn't bother me... Pelican May 2013 #87
I suspect our views differ on how one handles an unlikely situation. Hoyt May 2013 #88
Like I said... Pelican May 2013 #90
"Continue to get your ass kicked" wtf? LOL laundry_queen May 2013 #94
That sounds terrible... Pelican May 2013 #95
Gun culture to me is just the name for the group of enthusiasts who like them and the things they do justanidea May 2013 #16
Growing up, and well into mid-life, "gun culture" was not heard... Eleanors38 May 2013 #20
I think folks who incorporate references to guns in their DU User Name, are likely GC members. Hoyt May 2013 #28
Eleanor DID have a .38. And used it. Is she a "GC member?" Eleanors38 May 2013 #56
She didn't promote more guns in more places, practice with targets resembling humans, drool over Hoyt May 2013 #60
Self-defense is always a good reason for RKBA -- and a concealed-carry permit (she had one). Eleanors38 May 2013 #82
If you actually have people after you, not just some irrational fear. Hoyt May 2013 #83
Can't disagree. Eleanors38 May 2013 #93
What is the hip hop culture? Johonny May 2013 #21
Well, to carry your hip-hop metaphor a bit further. MadHound May 2013 #24
You may or may not be a part of it - no bright defining line imo laundry_queen May 2013 #96
In general, it's people that can't function without a gun nearby. TheCowsCameHome May 2013 #25
IMO, the phrase "gun culture" is used by those who either want (a) a repeat of the '94 election AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #26
I think those who use the threat of voting Republican over guns, are likely GC members. Hoyt May 2013 #29
And some of us are aware of the 2012 election... Bjorn Against May 2013 #30
Wait until the mid-terms - TheCowsCameHome May 2013 #33
History doesn't show that to be true. ... spin May 2013 #62
Seeing the poll numbers of those who voted against background checks drop put a smile on my face Bjorn Against May 2013 #77
... theKed May 2013 #32
Gun culture is created Sheepshank May 2013 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl May 2013 #35
I am repeatedly accused of being a "hugger." sofa king May 2013 #36
what? logic? galileoreloaded May 2013 #59
The root of the issue Half-Century Man May 2013 #42
No universal "culture", but you can split it in two general positive/negative groups Blue_Tires May 2013 #43
I would agree. What percentage of gun owners do you think fall into each group? Common Sense Party May 2013 #103
Foolish for me to ever estimate Blue_Tires May 2013 #105
Agreed. I don't know any Group Two types personally. I know there are some Common Sense Party May 2013 #106
I also see a lot of self-righteousness in the gun culture. Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #48
I see your point, respect it, and even agree with it to a large degree. MadHound May 2013 #50
Really. "A threat at worst" for not owning a gun? Pholus May 2013 #66
If that person is wanting to take away somebody else's possession, MadHound May 2013 #67
Not in your original statement. Pholus May 2013 #68
There's a LOT of self-righteousness in ANY culture. Look at the environmentalist movement. Common Sense Party May 2013 #107
Very true. Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #112
Gun culture; someone who uses a gun on a regular basis? Rex May 2013 #49
I think that is overly broad. MadHound May 2013 #51
So do you consider yourself part of the gun culture? Rex May 2013 #53
No, I don't, MadHound May 2013 #55
Okay so both you and I are not part of the gun culture. Rex May 2013 #58
if I presume that 20 different people will give me 22 different answers to one question, I'm either LanternWaste May 2013 #52
its a word used to marginalize any dissent with authoritarian galileoreloaded May 2013 #54
The poor innocent gun owners maxsolomon May 2013 #61
you are projecting your fears onto my words galileoreloaded May 2013 #72
I honestly think.... Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #64
because you own guns if i read right... galileoreloaded May 2013 #73
I don't own a gun personally, no. Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #99
apologies, thought i read you say you were a hunter. galileoreloaded May 2013 #100
Nope. Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #102
TIME magazine photo essay: Gun Culture U.S.A. Electric Monk May 2013 #57
You are probably a member of the gun culture... spin May 2013 #63
It's redneck "culture" alarimer May 2013 #65
If by redneck you mean rural dwelling blue collar types, I have to disagree. Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #69
Come shooting with me in RI and MA hack89 May 2013 #74
you do know that is bigotry don't you Niceguy1 May 2013 #79
It's the last "acceptable" bigotry. Lizzie Poppet May 2013 #85
Wow Separation May 2013 #104
Too hard to pin down. For some it's simply the belief 2A protects an individual right. cherokeeprogressive May 2013 #70
It's not the gun culture it is the culture of voilence. Bennyboy May 2013 #78
in this forum people are considered Niceguy1 May 2013 #80
If you have to ask, look around, you are part of it. morningfog May 2013 #81
Beats me PD Turk May 2013 #86
K&R! Great question. n/t Skip Intro May 2013 #89
Having worked in the industry my loose definition: The Straight Story May 2013 #91
Additionally, It's someone so obsessed with guns that they will spend part of their everyday... onehandle May 2013 #97
Kick... SidDithers May 2013 #98
Wow. I thought that was a really dumb post pintobean May 2013 #108
Here you go: Guns + Culture= cali May 2013 #113
Quick Test: Paladin May 2013 #114
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