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eridani

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86. This is just a bullshit excuse to get the money they will need for (often) a lifetime of extra care

Thu May 2, 2013, 06:50 PM

May 2013

This practice exists only because we have no guarantee of health care as a human right. Establish health care as a human right, and we can abolish "pain and suffering" awards at that time.

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I'm looking for evidence that socialized medicine does not increase "frivolous" visits. [View all] Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 OP

Why are you trying to prove a negative? They make a claim, they should prove it does. idwiyo Apr 2013 #1

First of all, the uninsured already go to the ER for non-emergency care. alarimer Apr 2013 #2

I think it is something so obvious no study is needed. MindPilot Apr 2013 #3

Yep. And I speak out of experience having lived 16 years in the Netherlands BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #52

In 1996, my husband had an emergency root canal in Groningen eridani Apr 2013 #60

Very hard to study, given that people's medical records are private, hughee99 Apr 2013 #4

If anything, I hear just the opposite. That people are more likely to NOT go to the ER CTyankee Apr 2013 #5

This +1 JustAnotherGen Apr 2013 #53

Maybe they are watching the British comedy "Doc Martin" grasswire Apr 2013 #6

Do you like going to the doctor? LeftInTX Apr 2013 #7

WHEN these boys timdog44 Apr 2013 #14

"They aren't going to "treat" someone if nothing is the matter with them. " former9thward Apr 2013 #16

Yep, absolutely LeftInTX Apr 2013 #18

Get a doctor to say that. former9thward Apr 2013 #26

That's because of the fee for service system we have now Hippo_Tron Apr 2013 #51

Fee for service and fears of malpractice suits. former9thward Apr 2013 #55

They certainly do--just not very many of them. And why not? eridani Apr 2013 #62

Not really. former9thward Apr 2013 #63

National health care is exactly what will eliminate lawsuits related to malpractice eridani May 2013 #65

Do you seriously think there are no mistakes made in national health care? former9thward May 2013 #66

Didn't say that--I said that mistakes under national health care never cost the patient more money eridani May 2013 #67

A huge part of malpractice suits is "pain and suffering". former9thward May 2013 #69

This is just a bullshit excuse to get the money they will need for (often) a lifetime of extra care eridani May 2013 #86

Some people do like to go to the doctor. Maybe for attention. Seriously, I have two relatives who raccoon May 2013 #81

Here's a dissertation that might help magellan Apr 2013 #8

Anyone who's ever had to sit in an ER should be able to figure that one out. n/t winter is coming Apr 2013 #13

Of course. But the request was for a study of some kind. magellan Apr 2013 #15

Thank you! It's not the exact answer but it's good enough. Gravitycollapse May 2013 #73

You're welcome magellan May 2013 #85

Thank you for your concern. Single payer is not "socialized medicine". kestrel91316 Apr 2013 #9

First of all you need socialized medicine, not the jury-rigged system in place rustydog Apr 2013 #10

For a toothache see the dentist quitnesset Apr 2013 #11

Define 'frivolous' htuttle Apr 2013 #12

Where's all the frivolous use of the fire department? ret5hd Apr 2013 #17

+1 leftstreet Apr 2013 #34

Obviously your "friends" haven't been to the emergency room curlyred Apr 2013 #19

Far lower costs, superior outcomes. Warren Stupidity Apr 2013 #20

Maybe not exactly what you're looking for, but the Time article on Health Care was thorough Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #21

That argument is a red herring to begin with... Locut0s Apr 2013 #22

A big problem is that many people in this country are covered by company health plans. bluestate10 Apr 2013 #24

since universal coverage is about 30% cheaper, i wonder what 'true' costs you're talking about? HiPointDem Apr 2013 #40

And it's getting to where fewer and fewer people have that. I wonder when we'll hit the tipping raccoon May 2013 #82

The fact that "socialized" medicine countries have lower patient expenses than we do bluestate10 Apr 2013 #23

The current scheme is the ultimate in frivolous care. mick063 Apr 2013 #25

I Agree With You That It's a Relevant Question On the Road Apr 2013 #27

How do you define "frivolous"? JDPriestly Apr 2013 #36

I think what is meant by frivolous OwnedByCats Apr 2013 #43

Have you actually been in an emergency room? JDPriestly Apr 2013 #47

Yeah I have been there many times OwnedByCats Apr 2013 #56

Yes. I prefer single payer. The British system is great. JDPriestly Apr 2013 #57

Yep OwnedByCats Apr 2013 #58

It's code talk. "Frivolous" is when people who are not white like them seek medical care. hunter Apr 2013 #28

Exactly. "Those" people will be in the waiting room. Warren Stupidity Apr 2013 #42

+1 gollygee Apr 2013 #54

is arizona considering "socialized medicine" ? arely staircase Apr 2013 #29

Toothaches can kill you. Tell them that. truebluegreen Apr 2013 #30

Ask the British. moondust Apr 2013 #31

A tooth that has abcessed is not frivolous nobodyspecial Apr 2013 #32

You better believe an infected abscessed tooth is a good OwnedByCats Apr 2013 #39

Negative Proof kenichol Apr 2013 #33

That might be kind of hard to find. When people have insurance they do go to the Dr more MellowYellow Apr 2013 #35

There are no frivolous visits. sibelian Apr 2013 #37

Ok, I lived in the UK for 10 years OwnedByCats Apr 2013 #38

such research exists, because i remember reading it, though i can't remember the details. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #41

Define "frivolous". baldguy Apr 2013 #44

Exactly. laundry_queen Apr 2013 #45

Not evidence, but personal anecdotes WilmywoodNCparalegal Apr 2013 #46

Kick. n/t area51 Apr 2013 #48

I remember seeing a chart on the old DU Sheepshank Apr 2013 #49

ok here is the link. Sheepshank Apr 2013 #50

If our system is so great at keeping costs down, why do we pay TWICE per capita eridani Apr 2013 #59

Here's a pretty good blog about health care. DanTex Apr 2013 #61

Clever variation on the usual "HELP ME REFUTE THIS" TROLLING. WinkyDink Apr 2013 #64

Yeah, no trolling. Just looking for information. Gravitycollapse May 2013 #71

Wth counts as "frivolous"? If you have a doctor, you don't go to the ER Hekate May 2013 #68

Well, for one thing, wingnuts are stupid. Gravitycollapse May 2013 #72

I've gone to the ER for a toothache... cynatnite May 2013 #70

Given the constant whining about overtreatment, it's hard for me to make sense of that claim. bemildred May 2013 #74

I've gone to the ER with a 'toothache' REP May 2013 #75

Doctors' offices are full of germs--most people try to avoid them emsimon33 May 2013 #76

You think a doctor's office is full of germs? Hospitals are gigantic petri dishes. Gravitycollapse May 2013 #77

That, too. emsimon33 May 2013 #80

The insurance industry are still flinging this poo? Cleita May 2013 #78

The argument is either ludicrous or irrelevant, depending... Demo_Chris May 2013 #79

Me thinks there is racism and/or Fox News behind this thinking LeftInTX May 2013 #83

my friend has health insurance and pays DesertFlower May 2013 #84

I can only give you my own personal experience... Violet_Crumble May 2013 #87