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davidthegnome

(2,983 posts)
135. A good read as always, Woo.
Fri May 3, 2013, 01:27 AM
May 2013

While I haven't always agreed with you, on the issue of corporate democrats I'd say we are very much on the same side. For anyone, I mean, anyone at all, to pretend that GOP obstructionism is the primary issue with our political system is absolutely ridiculous. It is *A* problem, yes. However... anyone who hasn't been asleep for the last ten, twenty years and more must at least recognize the enormous (and ever-growing) corporate influence over our politics and over so many various aspects of our lives.

Citizens United. In other words, enormous bribes for politicians from corporate entities being made perfectly legal, simply not actually called bribery (corporate person-hood). Hard money... soft money, I remember when my Father explained the concept to me as a boy, I could not understand how we could maintain the pretense of democracy when we permit our elected representatives to sell their votes to the highest bidder. Even the pretense of it is no longer convincing even as a pretense. There are precious few people, I think, that honestly believe the game is anything other than rigged.

I truly sympathize with people like ProSense (who's views are very similar to my Father's) who believe that we can create change from within, that our politicians (some of them, at least...) are still on our side and at least trying to do the right thing. I sympathize with them and wish I could believe as they do. I cannot.

Campaign finance is the first issue we have to address if we are truly to create a system that is representative of the public. This one isn't. I can't honestly believe that these wealthy folks (so very reminiscent of the nobility and royalty of the historical monarchies) are truly concerned for the welfare of the average person. Another posted earlier mentioned Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren - they are - by far - the exceptions, politicians who dare to speak truth.

As someone who is still a young man trying to struggle through our difficult world within a difficult economic and social structure... I realize that, without the support of my parents and their mildly successful average middle class life... I would not be here to discuss this. I would be, instead, living on the streets or within a homeless shelter. Or, perhaps I might manage to do a little better with what little remains of our social safety net - then to be despised by both fellow democrats and republicans who would conclude that I was simply too lazy to work hard for a living.

Somehow, it's okay (and legal) that wealthy individuals and corporations give politicians millions of dollars to support or combat this policy or that... but it is not okay when someone proposes raising the minimum wage to ten dollars an hour - even though this is still not a living wage. Somehow it is okay (and somehow legal) that our politicians spent billions of dollars bailing out the financial institutions that created the global economic crisis in the first place... but it is not okay that there are Americans on food stamps, or who need heating assistance, social security, medicaid....

As I near thirty years old now, I have yet to find a convincing reason... yet to find any true hope that things are changing, or will change for the better. It is hard to become motivated enough to do something about it. Mostly I'm tired. Mostly I'm sad. I cannot return to University next year because I am already too deeply in debt and there simply isn't enough to go around for people like me... I am so sick and humiliated after having begged at the financial aid office again - to no avail.

In short... the corporations have won. Real education is now beyond most of us, it is too expensive and requires too much concentration, time - and devotion from your average person who has to work full time just to survive. I'll likely spend the rest of my life working for rich people, and be expected to be grateful for the opportunity.

It could always be worse. I have parents who let me live with them. I have a job I enjoy, working for a radio station. I don't have health insurance - but I'm not sick or injured yet either. It has come to a sorry state of things when someone like me is one of the lucky ones. Or perhaps it has always been so, and my sheltered upbringing hid from me the reality of our society.

Let's not fool ourselves. We are not so civilized, not so socially advanced or humanitarian in comparison to Nations and governments of the past. Our democracy/republic is nothing more than a clever play performed by the elite of our society, who are truly not so different from feudal lords.

How do we create change? We could start by limiting the pay of politicians more severely, we could start by expecting them to live under the same conditions most of us have to. We could start by holding them accountable, with legal penalties for what is in truth, accepting bribes. I'm in favor of a drafted government, rather than one we vote to elect. Let's force these wealthy elites instead to live as their constituents do - and I'm fairly certain that life for all would improve.

Not that my opinion counts for anything of course... and for the most part, I'm too tired to care.

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DURec leftstreet May 2013 #1
Then let's not give them that 'excuse'. Get Out The Vote in 2014! randome May 2013 #2
That will not do ANY GOOD! We put different people in the same matrix and expect a different Dustlawyer May 2013 #35
No one 'owes' a favor unless they are too weak to think differently. randome May 2013 #51
Love them both, but they are the exceptions. Dustlawyer May 2013 #100
Thanks. JDPriestly May 2013 #137
This has to be the our lasered focused issue. Get the money out of politics. JRLeft May 2013 #138
Yes, GOTV. And let's stop making excuses for people like the OP while we're at it, shall we? n/t AverageJoe90 May 2013 #124
Oh, I'll vote, but... Android3.14 May 2013 #140
If you're going to give up, at least do so quietly so others aren't dragged down. randome May 2013 #145
Thank you. mountain grammy May 2013 #151
I admire your naivete Android3.14 May 2013 #155
K&R!!!! haikugal May 2013 #3
Sounds like Alex Jones wrote a large part of that. JoePhilly May 2013 #4
What is false? nt woo me with science May 2013 #5
Well given the items in your list ... taken together ... JoePhilly May 2013 #8
Just so you know, this post was alerted on... SidDithers May 2013 #12
LOL ... now THAT is funny. JoePhilly May 2013 #13
Sigh... I love you!! :) Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #14
Now I am really laughing!! JoePhilly May 2013 #15
Hoooray, Orthodoxy! appal_jack May 2013 #27
Don't forget our team logo! RandiFan1290 May 2013 #49
Awww, don't be like that. I'll give you a hug, too! ;) Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #63
If you think Obama is a liberal Stewland May 2013 #96
I never thought he was a liberal. Never! I supported Kucinich in the primary, then Edwards, sadly. Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2013 #105
Yes! I'm a "liberal stalwart" too and I agree with you. mountain grammy May 2013 #152
6-0 in your favour... SidDithers May 2013 #16
Took me all of half a second to 'judge' this one. nt onehandle May 2013 #18
Wow ... aquitted ... I'm holding a press conference (below) right NOW!!!! JoePhilly May 2013 #22
Wow, that's pretty impressive brentspeak May 2013 #64
Awwww. Guess we know who the alerter was... SidDithers May 2013 #66
Guess you still don't. brentspeak May 2013 #94
Sure... SidDithers May 2013 #97
Did you send the alert, Sid? woo me with science May 2013 #44
No, I was on the jury...nt SidDithers May 2013 #45
I like everything BHO has done except for the right-wing thingys of the nature indepat May 2013 #72
Is that better or worse than being a poo-flinging monkey? Or a poo, flinging monkey?? n/t winter is coming May 2013 #67
Alex Jones after a really, REALLY bad day Number23 May 2013 #109
I didn't see that in the OP, can you point it out please? And what is the DU obsession with sabrina 1 May 2013 #131
Read the OP's FIRST version of their list, before the edits ... JoePhilly May 2013 #143
The fact that you have nothing but that absurd response, proves the point of the OP. rhett o rick May 2013 #133
Apparently ... JoePhilly May 2013 #144
I'm a neo-Liberal because I think Mitch McConnell and John the tan Boner are major obstructionists? trumad May 2013 #6
This list is full of major betrayals that have nothing to do with Republican obstructionism. nt woo me with science May 2013 #7
Yeah well--- trumad May 2013 #10
Because I vote for Democrats, I have a right to demand they keep their promises BrotherIvan May 2013 #32
It's Green Party/Ron Paul talking points. geek tragedy May 2013 #11
Exactly Indyfan53 May 2013 #23
In the mid-terms, all elections, dotymed May 2013 #36
2014 is why OPs like this one are posted daily. They want to suppress FSogol May 2013 #42
A jury voted 6-0 to Leave It Alone. Sekhmets Daughter May 2013 #59
Another awesome result... SidDithers May 2013 #69
Agreed. LOL. n/t FSogol May 2013 #71
Right on, Juror #1. sagat May 2013 #73
"Right on" for saying that I am an "asshole"? woo me with science May 2013 #90
If the shoe fits... sagat May 2013 #92
You used a low count sock to do that, huh. woo me with science May 2013 #93
Juror #6 was on point too Number23 May 2013 #111
why is woo me an asshole? Skittles May 2013 #118
Juries are kicking ass in this thread! Number23 May 2013 #110
Version #4,572. Bobbie Jo May 2013 #95
Sounds like the logical reasoning part of science Zoeisright May 2013 #47
Please proceed. woo me with science May 2013 #123
We all agree with you that the Republicans are obstructionists. But I believe that some if not many rhett o rick May 2013 #134
The main problem is the Republicans. trumad May 2013 #141
Yes, exactly. mountain grammy May 2013 #153
SPAM geek tragedy May 2013 #9
Posting the administration's record is important, when it is repeatedly being mischaracterized. woo me with science May 2013 #17
How many military drones have you seen in your skies? geek tragedy May 2013 #19
Baseless, false denial is not an argument. woo me with science May 2013 #26
You talked about "military drones in our skies' which is Ron Paul-style bullshit. geek tragedy May 2013 #28
That was breathtaking denial. Really, that was stunning. woo me with science May 2013 #55
Virtually nothing you said in that post is true. geek tragedy May 2013 #61
When you cannot refute the list, woo me with science May 2013 #74
How many military drones have you spotted in the US? geek tragedy May 2013 #77
It's spam, and not even good spam ProSense May 2013 #40
+100 n/t FSogol May 2013 #43
You're aware that neoliberalism doesn't equate to liberal, right? IDemo May 2013 #20
That is exactly my point. woo me with science May 2013 #21
Yep-- and it's this kind of thing that makes the cries of "Republicans made us do it" so Marr May 2013 #24
K&R for highlighting serious, systemic issues appal_jack May 2013 #25
Yes, nothing substantive, woo me with science May 2013 #99
The mob is out tonight. Fuddnik May 2013 #114
If you can't counter the message, JEB May 2013 #129
Preach it woo, MadHound May 2013 #29
And on the day after Loyalty Day! woo me with science May 2013 #102
Everything on this list seems to be okay with some here magellan May 2013 #30
Corrupt, Complicit, Craven dems do not represent us, but do sabotage us on point May 2013 #31
Also, stacking the Bogus 'Debt Commission' with neoliberals appal_jack May 2013 #33
add penny pritzker appointment to that list datasuspect May 2013 #34
Rove: GOP Has ‘Outside Chance’ Of Winning Senate In 2014 ProSense May 2013 #37
Then Democrats better start giving us reasons to vote for them. Fuddnik May 2013 #115
I voted for Obama because he was lthe lesser evil Stewland May 2013 #38
+1000 truebluegreen May 2013 #50
....but it was ALL Joe Lieberman's fault! bvar22 May 2013 #39
Well, that says it all, doesn't it. woo me with science May 2013 #98
If Warren were to express a serious interest, bvar22 May 2013 #103
Excellent contribution dreamnightwind May 2013 #106
Using the U.S. Coast Guard and FAA no-fly-zones to limit reporter access to major oil spill sites. GoneFishin May 2013 #41
Here's a ProSense May 2013 #46
I'll tell you why American Politics sucks . . . HughBeaumont May 2013 #48
+1000000 woo me with science May 2013 #60
Posting privileges before principles... SidDithers May 2013 #91
Richard Wolff had it right. Fuddnik May 2013 #117
The essential problem with your thesis Trajan May 2013 #52
Way to cut to the chase! randome May 2013 #56
No, nonsense. And poor rhetoric, to boot. woo me with science May 2013 #62
Nailed it...nt SidDithers May 2013 #70
"You insist that ONLY corporate Democrats are the 'problem'" ProSense May 2013 #75
+1, the ONUS being GOP obstructionism uponit7771 May 2013 #78
No, I have said repeatedly that the two corporate parties collude. woo me with science May 2013 #85
+1. n/t winter is coming May 2013 #86
That is a bald mischaracterization. bvar22 May 2013 #120
It is a pretty sobering list Woo. zeemike May 2013 #53
A lot of people wanted to believe. woo me with science May 2013 #101
They may know the corporate assault is happening to them zeemike May 2013 #108
If anyone wants a working model for it, try "Manufacturing Consent" by Noam Chomsky Fuddnik May 2013 #119
ooohhhh! heaven05 May 2013 #54
woo me with science, I always enjoy your posts. LuvNewcastle May 2013 #57
Democrats who voted for the House CISPA bill ProSense May 2013 #58
rec Demo_Chris May 2013 #65
FYI: Defense Budget FY 2001 through FY 2014 ProSense May 2013 #68
Does that include the cost of the wars? During the Bush administration, winter is coming May 2013 #82
Yes. n/t ProSense May 2013 #83
Thanks. n/t winter is coming May 2013 #84
Add expanding H-1B quotas to this list, which is being pushed by them through Immigration Bill.. cascadiance May 2013 #76
Here: ProSense May 2013 #80
+10000 The visas, and the looming Trans-Pacific free trade agreement, woo me with science May 2013 #81
I know this is impossible but Tippy May 2013 #79
We need publicly funded elections and octoberlib May 2013 #87
Yup, corporate money is the root of the problem, woo me with science May 2013 #89
K&R forestpath May 2013 #88
So few want to address that, though... KoKo May 2013 #104
A Republican could run on that platform pscot May 2013 #107
Yes...it's a farce...and Dance with the Devil...on both sides...and the Deception. n/t KoKo May 2013 #112
We have made the classic error. Savannahmann May 2013 #113
Excellent post. davidthegnome May 2013 #132
THANK YOU Skittles May 2013 #116
Kick and Rec! Fuddnik May 2013 #121
Corporations own both parties. But there's one key difference: TrollBuster9090 May 2013 #122
Six edits and still no links. ucrdem May 2013 #125
To take one example: "Support for naked scanning of Americans" ucrdem May 2013 #126
It doesn't matter that the ProSense May 2013 #127
It sounds great when Noam says it. ucrdem May 2013 #128
Nice condescension. JEB May 2013 #130
A good read as always, Woo. davidthegnome May 2013 #135
There you go again, telling the truth in the General Denial forum. Fire Walk With Me May 2013 #136
Truth? ProSense May 2013 #147
Theres only so long the rubes will keep believing the GOP is the sole obstructor of the Peoples Will blkmusclmachine May 2013 #139
Truth to Power harun May 2013 #142
Kick and Rec Teamster Jeff May 2013 #146
du rec. nt xchrom May 2013 #148
Instead of vetoeing insider trading sorefeet May 2013 #149
STRATFOR Wikileaks Dump showed extent of buy-partisan wars for profit... Octafish May 2013 #150
K & R nt LeftyLucy22 May 2013 #154
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