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krispos42

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40. I think that's incorrect

Fri May 3, 2013, 10:21 AM

May 2013

All crime indicators are down, including all violent crime indicators.

If survival rates were solely or largely responsible for gun-related deaths dropping, we would see assault rates stay steady or even rise slightly. After all, if I shoot somebody and they live, it's assault; if I shoot somebody and they die it's murder.

I think I wrote in reply to you before that I believed it was a combination of removing lead in gasoline and the ready availability of birth control and abortion services that lead to the sharp drop in crime rates that started in the 1990's.

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It appears to me that the kids in Jenoch May 2013 #1

I'm sure their lawyers made certain of that! Coyotl May 2013 #2

What lawsuits? nt. premium May 2013 #23

Yup, the photographer was right there behind the camera Progressive dog May 2013 #28

You must be hallucinating. GeorgeGist May 2013 #53

Do you believe the photographs were all taken by children? Jenoch May 2013 #55

Where's the outrage for ATV manufacturers marketing their vehicles to kids? ATV's kill & maim KittyWampus May 2013 #3

you forgot your sarcasm thingie... Whisp May 2013 #12

ATVs were designed to do so? regards uponit7771 May 2013 #19

Warning Will Robinson. Misdirection attempt incoming. MattBaggins May 2013 #22

DO NOT TALK ABOUT GUNS Uzair May 2013 #31

There is a special place in Hell for these people. BlueStreak May 2013 #4

yes! right behind bucket manufacturers! nt galileoreloaded May 2013 #5

Thinking. I don't think you're doing it right. nt EOTE May 2013 #33

wait your right. its the 2 inches of water and NOT the bucket that is deadly galileoreloaded May 2013 #35

Nope, you still haven't got it quite right. EOTE May 2013 #37

i'm lazy and non reactionary...what can i say. nt galileoreloaded May 2013 #43

Probably not, but you can send them to the other...what, five (5) threads...on this. Eleanors38 May 2013 #7

Makes me nostalgic holdencaufield May 2013 #6

Those were the days BlueStreak May 2013 #38

Rather the diverse family.... representing all of import from the "good old days" LanternWaste May 2013 #45

So 60,000 plus kids have guns and aren't shooting each other with them? The Straight Story May 2013 #8

So it's not about the gun, it's about the supervision? Got it. Cali_Democrat May 2013 #9

Over half of them are suicides Mojorabbit May 2013 #10

Even if you remove suicides the equation, which shouldn't be done.... Cali_Democrat May 2013 #11

Once again Mojorabbit May 2013 #13

I agree that the safety net plays a part Cali_Democrat May 2013 #14

This is true-- guns are certainly part of the problem, but... TreasonousBastard May 2013 #18

Overall violent crime in the US is not higher than in Western Europe, Canada, etc. DanTex May 2013 #34

To be fair, Japan has an incredibly high suicide rate. mwrguy May 2013 #16

they also have gejohnston May 2013 #51

It's never about the gun. baldguy May 2013 #25

Probably for the same reason Minnesota has more snowmobile deaths than Florida krispos42 May 2013 #39

Guns are created to kill. That's what they're for . . . MrModerate May 2013 #15

Do you even care that a 2 year old is dead? Uzair May 2013 #29

I don't own a gun, so no fetish here. I argue based on simple principle, no emotions The Straight Story May 2013 #49

They Look Like Toys otohara May 2013 #17

We will be living with this for generations. What or who will they be aiming at? freshwest May 2013 #20

We have been living with this for a long time, it is just getting worse. Coyotl May 2013 #21

Except that it isn't getting worse metalbot May 2013 #24

Columbine, ......... .... ... ... n/t Coyotl May 2013 #26

We don't know how low murder/wound/intimidation/abuse rate would be without all the friggin guns, or Hoyt May 2013 #30

Gun violence has been getting worse. DanTex May 2013 #36

I think that's incorrect krispos42 May 2013 #40

I said gun violence specifically. Gun assaults are up: DanTex May 2013 #41

Ah, okay, I see what you mean. krispos42 May 2013 #48

I'm aware of the history. This is no longer needed to establish the country. To destroy it, next. freshwest May 2013 #44

How can violent video games be the problem Shankapotomus May 2013 #27

If they are marketing the gun to children nykym May 2013 #32

how can they say it is "marketing to children" since they can't buy it? gejohnston May 2013 #52

Clearly you don't have kids. IveWornAHundredPants May 2013 #54

Coming up next: kid-marketed power tools! backscatter712 May 2013 #42

I wouldn't give a 4 or 5 year old a damn BB or paintball gun ("you'll put your eye out!") Bake May 2013 #46

As kids we were not allowed to have a BB gun because they were too dangerous. Coyotl May 2013 #47

I grew up in the city, never was a hunter as a child. Bake May 2013 #50