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In reply to the discussion: Thank you to all those who spoke out. [View all]geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)95. quotes in context:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=121699
So, this person is explicitly stating that such an uprising would be of rightwing gun nuts--the Ted Nugent crowd. And then they say the military would join up with the Ted Nugent crowd.
Someone asks the logical question about this smear of the military as rightwing nutjobs waiting to commit treason.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=121741
The Gungeon regulars respond to this person--directly-- by letting them know that--in a scenario explicitly described as rightwing extremists engaging in armed rebellion--that the rightwing armed rebels would be the ones in the right, and that the military would have to side with them if they respected the constitution.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=121751
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=121753
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=121834
Again, these are all responses to a scenario where rightwing extremists engage in armed and violent rebellion.
The Gungeon response? Wolverines!!!!!!!
What makes you think all (or even most) of the professionals would fight for the government?
You do realize that today's US military has a very pronounced rightward lean and is pretty strongly pro-gun-rights, don't you? In the event of a genuinely widespread insurrection, a large portion (probably a slight majority) would end up on the insurrectionist side. Bank on it.
You do realize that today's US military has a very pronounced rightward lean and is pretty strongly pro-gun-rights, don't you? In the event of a genuinely widespread insurrection, a large portion (probably a slight majority) would end up on the insurrectionist side. Bank on it.
So, this person is explicitly stating that such an uprising would be of rightwing gun nuts--the Ted Nugent crowd. And then they say the military would join up with the Ted Nugent crowd.
Someone asks the logical question about this smear of the military as rightwing nutjobs waiting to commit treason.
Our military is full of traitors?
Good to know.
I thought it was full of professionals that swore to follow the orders of the civilian commander in chief.
Maybe we need to rethink who we let into our military.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=121741
The Gungeon regulars respond to this person--directly-- by letting them know that--in a scenario explicitly described as rightwing extremists engaging in armed rebellion--that the rightwing armed rebels would be the ones in the right, and that the military would have to side with them if they respected the constitution.
If we come to the point where there is widespread insurrection in this country
conditions will probably exist that convince the military that those who govern us are the traitors.
conditions will probably exist that convince the military that those who govern us are the traitors.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=121751
Members of the military are sworn firstly ...
... to " ...support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic" and -- swearing to obey the orders of the CinC and the officers appointed over me follows the duty to support and defend the Constitution and "bear true faith and allegiance to the same".
If those oaths were ever in conflict, I would leave it to your imagination as to which they would chose.
... to " ...support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic" and -- swearing to obey the orders of the CinC and the officers appointed over me follows the duty to support and defend the Constitution and "bear true faith and allegiance to the same".
If those oaths were ever in conflict, I would leave it to your imagination as to which they would chose.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=121753
You take the Oath by swearing to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States against *ALL ENEMIES*, BOTH FOREIGN AND *DOMESTIC*.
See, we have that little law that the Military CAN NOT BE USED AGAINST U.S. CITIZENS, therefore, ANY President who would order troops to move against citizens would be considered a Domestic Enemy. Troops also have the right to disregard any ordered deemed illegal, and this would be a BIG ONE!
Perhaps it's YOU who needs to "rethink" a few things, starting with your very poorly, misguided view of our Military and our Soldiers, those brave men and women who VOLUNTEERED to protect our Constitution and our Country. The only TRAITORS would be the president who gave that order, and the troops who followed it. After that, you can think about other things you may need to "rethink". If you get stumped, let me know and maybe I can help you out some more.....
See, we have that little law that the Military CAN NOT BE USED AGAINST U.S. CITIZENS, therefore, ANY President who would order troops to move against citizens would be considered a Domestic Enemy. Troops also have the right to disregard any ordered deemed illegal, and this would be a BIG ONE!
Perhaps it's YOU who needs to "rethink" a few things, starting with your very poorly, misguided view of our Military and our Soldiers, those brave men and women who VOLUNTEERED to protect our Constitution and our Country. The only TRAITORS would be the president who gave that order, and the troops who followed it. After that, you can think about other things you may need to "rethink". If you get stumped, let me know and maybe I can help you out some more.....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=121834
Again, these are all responses to a scenario where rightwing extremists engage in armed and violent rebellion.
The Gungeon response? Wolverines!!!!!!!
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There is no one in that thread "promoting an armed insurrection" against the current government.
sylvi
May 2013
#2
800 people is a suitable sample for a population of ~6 million (would need closer to 900, but eh)
Scootaloo
May 2013
#72
Calling anyone in the very (overly!) center-left Democratic party "riff-raff"
truebluegreen
May 2013
#74
No it was "if the gun grabbers ever try to take our guns. . . ." Turner diaries style fantasies
geek tragedy
May 2013
#13
And to think I said that you should alert on the OP and it got you all riled up
neverforget
May 2013
#31
why are your friends in that group (those you agree with) always getting PPR'd for their posts?
CreekDog
May 2013
#106
That gun nut is blocked from this thread because they couldn't control themselves.
morningfog
May 2013
#124
Or Trash this forum. RK & BA was the first one I trashed, after begging the Admins for it.
freshwest
May 2013
#38
My Ignore list is a black hole full of trolls, wailing and gnashing their teeth.
freshwest
May 2013
#140
Until next time. Glib sociopaths have no compunctions about registering over and over and over. nt
Electric Monk
May 2013
#150
re: context, earlier in the thread he's talking about a gun fight between RKBAers and gun control
Electric Monk
May 2013
#33
"Usurpation of the constitution" known to that crowd as "Canadian style gun
geek tragedy
May 2013
#55
"but until DU takes a stand against violent rhetoric I can no longer participate in this site."
holdencaufield
May 2013
#46
+1=Yes, I have noticed that it seems to be getting much,much more violent and foreboding
graham4anything
May 2013
#49
It reminds me-why are those that defend the NRA/Guns now all seem to have few posts?
graham4anything
May 2013
#52
FDR and LBJ,JFK,RFK,Teddy and Lincoln were authoritarians, so is the nut job at the NRA
graham4anything
May 2013
#68
*shhhhsshshhhhhhhhhhhhhhshshhhhhhhhhhhh* Man this station NEVER comes in....
actslikeacarrot
May 2013
#69
It's insane to think you've debunked every reason for having a gun other than overthrow.
dkf
May 2013
#54
BTW-he violent rhetoric here doesn't only exist in the gungeon.The burn it downs are everywhere
graham4anything
May 2013
#50
So a poll conducted outside DU that, so far as you know, has no DU responders to it...
randome
May 2013
#84
The gungeon is just a branch of FreeRepublic that happens to be hosted on DU. Just ignore it.
DanTex
May 2013
#96
You are right. But the cover they are given there seeps into GD and other fora. Close the Gungeon!
morningfog
May 2013
#128
I really don't care what you think about how I fight back against right-wing trolls
Bjorn Against
May 2013
#126
LOL, you now think the whole DU begged skinner to PPR the poster to keep you here! n-t
Logical
May 2013
#130