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HiPointDem

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46. yes. and now kids have 3-5 times *more* standardized tests, and more in the pipeline.

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With fifth-grade test now revealed, New York's tougher new reading exams set students up to fail [View all] proud2BlibKansan May 2013 OP

My wife is a fifth grade teacher gopiscrap May 2013 #1

I have no doubt that's true proud2BlibKansan May 2013 #2

Of course the results will be used to evaluate teachers! femmocrat May 2013 #3

Some kindergarteners come to school not knowing their NAME proud2BlibKansan May 2013 #5

But if a fifth grader doesn't know his own phone number, SHOULDN'T he fail? Honeycombe8 May 2013 #6

Only if we are requiring knowing phone numbers in order to pass! femmocrat May 2013 #7

Have you seen the test? roody May 2013 #8

Some 5th graders do know... reACTIONary May 2013 #12

Exactly joeglow3 May 2013 #16

Then you're trying to measure two different things with one test Fumesucker May 2013 #22

This is an important point. kiva May 2013 #47

Differentiating kids. Exactly. roody May 2013 #79

They don't need to know % of kids performing above grade level, at grade level, Honeycombe8 May 2013 #84

I am a teacher. I know where the kids roody May 2013 #100

You are not alone in the world. Others need to know, as well. nt Honeycombe8 May 2013 #101

Then create some authentic assessments. roody May 2013 #104

This message was self-deleted by its author HiPointDem May 2013 #113

To understand... reACTIONary May 2013 #91

Sounds like you are in the business. roody May 2013 #99

Do I think resources are going where needed? reACTIONary May 2013 #107

Please disclose any financial ties with the roody May 2013 #110

LOL, That's funny... reACTIONary May 2013 #114

Glad it's funny. We still don't know. roody May 2013 #115

If you want to set aside facts and reasoned opinion... reACTIONary May 2013 #117

Do you have a financial interest in the roody May 2013 #119

No. Not even indirectly. So now what? (nt) reACTIONary May 2013 #120

A friend of ours recently moved to Florida joeglow3 May 2013 #121

My 3rd grader knows what it is. I asked for examples of words and she msanthrope May 2013 #33

What is the purpose of knowing it? roody May 2013 #80

Are you asking what the purpose of knowledge is? Honeycombe8 May 2013 #85

No. Recognizing onomatopoeia roody May 2013 #103

No, but it is an indicator of someone's education level. joeglow3 May 2013 #122

For someone who claims to be an educator Codeine May 2013 #127

Are you serious? Dorian Gray May 2013 #126

I hear so many people discussing onomatopoeia! roody May 2013 #128

I'm a gonna pee on you... WCGreen May 2013 #62

LOL. We weren't allowed to talk that way... Honeycombe8 May 2013 #86

It depends on what's in the books they studied that year. Honeycombe8 May 2013 #83

They (the testing industry) is never roody May 2013 #106

So what is the message if he tries his best and she tries her best to help him pnwmom May 2013 #18

People fail at things. That's an important life lesson, don't you think? Honeycombe8 May 2013 #88

The article says that the test was written at the mid 6th grade level, which is a full year pnwmom May 2013 #95

And it SHOULD have questions at higher levels. A lot of kids test at higher grade levels... Honeycombe8 May 2013 #98

I'm not objecting to SOME questions being more difficult, for the reasons you note. pnwmom May 2013 #108

I see. Well, I agree with you on that. Honeycombe8 May 2013 #112

yes plus say you have 10 kids in 5th scoring 99% all the time all in your class tests lunasun May 2013 #109

If that's the information they need there's no reason to put a whole class pnwmom May 2013 #125

Why do you share the results with them? joeglow3 May 2013 #123

Ugh - more destruction of the public commons in the offing I see. ananda May 2013 #4

That concerned educator is very brave. roody May 2013 #9

The level of distrust of teachers to evaluate students is out of control! reformist2 May 2013 #10

As is the level of distrust of administrators to evaluate teachers. joeglow3 May 2013 #17

test designed by minions of bill gates. HiPointDem May 2013 #43

What??? joeglow3 May 2013 #61

what do you mean, 'what???" common core is a project pushed, designed and funded mostly HiPointDem May 2013 #63

I am saying part of this is because teachers claim they cannot be evaluated joeglow3 May 2013 #81

teachers do not claim they cannot be evaluated. they claim that the evaluations being promoted HiPointDem May 2013 #82

Personally, that distrust is based on my own experience. proud2BlibKansan May 2013 #92

Sadly, I work with people who say that of teachers joeglow3 May 2013 #94

Listen, if 5th graders can't make good inference guesses at this age, you have a problem. I just Pisces May 2013 #11

+ 10 (nt) reACTIONary May 2013 #15

I believe you mean "rote answers." pnwmom May 2013 #19

Yes I meant rote. Oops Pisces May 2013 #21

lol. i'm sure your first grader did better.... HiPointDem May 2013 #44

I agree. DevonRex May 2013 #20

The test doesn't care if they made a "great pick off of reasoning." No one is there to talk pnwmom May 2013 #24

Once the test is administered no one goes over the the correct answers and why they were correct? Pisces May 2013 #27

No, no one does. And the tests aren't made public. Apparently, your first grader is your oldest? pnwmom May 2013 #31

You just proved my point. In life you have to sometimes pick the least bad answer. Things aren't Pisces May 2013 #35

It's not a question of having things spelled out for you. pnwmom May 2013 #39

And if you were testing adults, you'd have a point. jeff47 May 2013 #129

Yeah. The only thing the statement implied was a need for the tunnels. JVS May 2013 #132

The tests are top secret. The roody May 2013 #116

Even if the kid can infer well, roody May 2013 #105

The test is "calibrated for the 'middle of sixth grade'".... reACTIONary May 2013 #13

I agree with you. I think the problem is linking it to the teacher ratings. Everyone wants CYA. This Pisces May 2013 #14

the test is going to be used to fire more teachers and close & privatize more schools. full period. HiPointDem May 2013 #45

A test that asks... reACTIONary May 2013 #48

i don't infer it, i know it. and how do you 'infer' that the content of a single test question has HiPointDem May 2013 #53

One might think that ... reACTIONary May 2013 #87

I think if we took away the paranoia of firings and privatization away no one would care about this Pisces May 2013 #55

1) it's not paranoia. 2) people *would* care, as the tests & test prep are crowding out everything HiPointDem May 2013 #58

Back in the 1950s, when I was in elementary school, MineralMan May 2013 #23

If everybody in your class graduated, then the likelihood is that there were some students pnwmom May 2013 #25

They are still going to graduate without knowing much about math or english........ PDJane May 2013 #26

I'm not fond of the current concept, either. MineralMan May 2013 #30

You don't think that knowing something about math... reACTIONary May 2013 #49

You can know enough to take the test. PDJane May 2013 #57

Algebra? There's a test for that. Calculus also. (nt) reACTIONary May 2013 #89

You're missing the point, and I'm tired. Never mind. PDJane May 2013 #93

How 'bout a history example jeff47 May 2013 #130

Clear and succinct. Thank you. PDJane May 2013 #131

Yes, there were some students with learning difficulties. MineralMan May 2013 #28

I wish all schools were set up like yours then -- but it is not considered acceptable pnwmom May 2013 #34

Yes. Each child has different abilities to learn. MineralMan May 2013 #37

+1000 pnwmom May 2013 #40

establishing a single standard is exactly what is being done, and it started with bush. obama HiPointDem May 2013 #77

I think it won't matter what test is used. Everyone will complain an everyone will have a different Pisces May 2013 #29

I looked at the sample questions. Without having access to MineralMan May 2013 #32

yes. and now kids have 3-5 times *more* standardized tests, and more in the pipeline. HiPointDem May 2013 #46

But, they are not using the results from those tests MineralMan May 2013 #50

no, they're using them to privatize education, and they don't care about your opinion on the HiPointDem May 2013 #51

I doubt that you care about my opinion either. MineralMan May 2013 #52

it matches many people's ideas in today's education system. it just doesn't match the opinions HiPointDem May 2013 #54

As I said, I'm not going to discuss educational philosophy with you. MineralMan May 2013 #56

then why did you respond to my initial post, since there's no point? the only 'philosophy' HiPointDem May 2013 #59

Because I did not notice to whom I was replying. MineralMan May 2013 #60

and so why did you just post another comment to one of mine within the last 5 minutes? HiPointDem May 2013 #68

Because I chose to do so. MineralMan May 2013 #69

yes, there is, but i can't say what at DU. HiPointDem May 2013 #71

were the adults able to answer all the questions correctly? riverbendviewgal May 2013 #36

I bet you did SRA. pnwmom May 2013 #41

i liked sra. one of the reasons i did was that it was self-directed and the tests weren't for HiPointDem May 2013 #73

which helped identify them and for the teacher to give them extra help riverbendviewgal May 2013 #90

What's so different? The amount of time spent preparing for and taking winter is coming May 2013 #124

"long, dense, off-the-wall nonfiction passages"---EXACTLY WHAT PA'S PSSA WAS/IS!! WinkyDink May 2013 #38

Apparently, this NY test did include fiction and poetry, so MineralMan May 2013 #64

Well, there ya go; I skimmed. BAD teacher! WinkyDink May 2013 #96

kr. let the firings and school closures commence. HiPointDem May 2013 #42

Education is not primarily a labor issue. MineralMan May 2013 #65

you said you didn't want to discuss educational philosophy with me, so why are you here? HiPointDem May 2013 #66

Yes, I know you think it is primarily a labor issue. MineralMan May 2013 #67

whether we're talking teachers or students, education is a labor issue. no, it's not that simple HiPointDem May 2013 #70

So you believe. And there's the issue we have. MineralMan May 2013 #72

the students don't lose because you & i disagree. our disagreement doesn't affect students one whit. HiPointDem May 2013 #74

Same argument. WSWS is not a place MineralMan May 2013 #75

i don't know what wsws is, and i don't see anything about it in these threads. you can disagree, HiPointDem May 2013 #76

+10!!! (nt) reACTIONary May 2013 #118

K&R idwiyo May 2013 #78

I miss question one. LWolf May 2013 #97

One thing I am sure of is that senseandsensibility May 2013 #102

I cannot understand how chervilant May 2013 #111