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7. I still think 'culturally unwilling' fits, though, because doing women's work seems to make men

Sat May 4, 2013, 06:34 PM

May 2013

feel unmanned, and that's a cultural dictate from larger society. And yes, your neighbor who feels disrespected doesn't deserve much respect because he has done nothing to deserve it, but it's sad that he, and most other men, feel that respect must be demanded from women in the form of deference from women no matter how he acts and no matter what he yells. There are a lot of these guys around, and they need to be put to work on something worthwhile. It's disturbing that they hate being 'under the thumb' of women, yet feel no uneasiness when they themselves want women 'under their thumb.' Just another reason why women, if they have a choice, get divorced or decide not to marry.

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The Marrying Kind: (Ghettoization of the working class) [View all] HiPointDem May 2013 OP

k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth May 2013 #1

Well, well, well. "Financially independent women who both earn the bulk Nay May 2013 #2

Study of various historical 'underclasses' shows one of the predictable tactics of capital HiPointDem May 2013 #4

Exactly. They are doing to the white underclass just what they did to the black underclass -- Nay May 2013 #5

i don't think that it's really "culturally unwilling". i think it's a bit more complicated. when HiPointDem May 2013 #6

I still think 'culturally unwilling' fits, though, because doing women's work seems to make men Nay May 2013 #7

I think it's a mistake to view things exclusively through the lens of male/female, because the HiPointDem May 2013 #9

I think you have to look at the micro AND the macro. Most people just trying to get along in Nay May 2013 #10

"EXCEPT by making individual choices that work for them in the here and now". the choices HiPointDem May 2013 #12

If by essentialist you mean that men and women have definite characteristics that will always Nay May 2013 #13

likewise. HiPointDem May 2013 #14

You both forgot the name calling and insulting mythology May 2013 #16

easy to forget it when one's co-discussant doesn't lead with it. HiPointDem May 2013 #17

It is, isn't it? I tend to bug out of threads that get nasty, as so many of them do. Again, I have Nay May 2013 #21

This is the kind of post that makes me wish I could rec individual posts. redqueen May 2013 #8

Well, thanks. Nay May 2013 #11

"dumping marriage," though, isn't an unalloyed 'good,' just better than the alternative -- maybe, HiPointDem May 2013 #15

Not celebrating it, no, because I think kids do so much better with an intact family. Nay May 2013 #19

Women hold on to high income men Fumesucker May 2013 #18

Low-income men are not always bad marriage partners; Mr Nay and I are high-income, and we know Nay May 2013 #20

Evidently you are now changing your tune.. Fumesucker May 2013 #30

This message was self-deleted by its author galileoreloaded May 2013 #25

+1000 YoungDemCA May 2013 #26

i've got a great idea... galileoreloaded May 2013 #29

I read the whole article senseandsensibility May 2013 #3

Nothing surprising here... PopeOxycontinI May 2013 #22

Or, as the late, great Daniel Patrick Moynihan got into trouble for saying - hedgehog May 2013 #23

nothing to do with anything the late unlamented pat moynihan ever said. HiPointDem May 2013 #24

Community issues are a product of economic circumstances... YoungDemCA May 2013 #27

I think Moynihan saw it as a chicken and egg problem or feed-back loop - which enraged people hedgehog May 2013 #28