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Summer Hathaway

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37. I have read the book
Sat May 4, 2013, 09:17 PM
May 2013

and am a great admirer of Bugliosi.

Do I believe that Bush/Cheney et al are guilty of war crimes? Absolutely, unequivocally, without hesitation.

Could I prove it, beyond all reasonable doubt, in a court of law? No - and I don't think anyone could.

That is not because the crime wasn't committed - it's because the Bush administration covered their tracks (along with their asses) extremely well. And they did so because they KNEW their actions could be used against them after-the-fact.

I've no doubt that DU, like every other Dem website during the Bush admin, was full of comments about anything even remotely linking their actions to prosecutable crimes being shredded within an hour of being committed to paper. And I think we can all safely assume that discussions among the inner circle about "we KNOW we're committing a crime here, but we're going to do it anyway" were not discussed in front of the bus-boys who cleared the lunch dishes.

The Bush Admin relied on two very important realities: the fact that if one turned on the other and admitted the truth, they'd ALL go down, and the fact that if they were indicted on charges of war crimes, by the time they got to trial (which would be YEARS, after all the pre-trial legal wrangling was dispensed with), any witnesses who might be in a position to testify to their knowledge aforethought of deliberate wrong-doing could have their testimony easily dismissed on the basis that so much time had passed, memories were "foggy" and prone to be inaccurate as a result.

Proving beyond all doubt that a former president and his cohorts KNEW they were breaking the law and did so anyway would be a very high bar to meet - and claims of "protecting the nation" after the attacks of 9/11 would be weighed and measured as part of the defense of same.

Bringing a former president to trial for war crimes is not a Law & Order episode, concluded in sixty minutes with commercials. The pre-trial obstruction by the defense would tie-up the courts for years - the interests of "national security" would be raised over and over in an attempt to keep the truth from being accessed and exposed.

And while those years-long legal arguments were being pursued, our 'friends in the liberal media' would be reminding the public of how many of their taxpayer dollars were being used to prosecute a former prez and his 'well-meaning colleagues' at a time when the nation can ill afford such an expenditure - and if you don't think that would have an impact on public perception, you are truly naive.

It is one thing to know with every fiber of your being that war crimes were committed - proving it in a court of law is a different thing entirely.

The law requires solid evidence that they knowingly committed war crimes, and that evidence does not exist - not because such crimes didn't happen, but because all evidence of same was carefully destroyed.

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I'll bite. Let's hear what you like about him. babylonsister May 2013 #1
Okay let's see... Bonobo May 2013 #3
Thanks! nt babylonsister May 2013 #6
Did you realize this before or after you helped get him elected? joshcryer May 2013 #58
He's the first black president. LWolf May 2013 #43
He's a mixed race president. As the grandmother of a virgogal May 2013 #52
Yes. LWolf May 2013 #60
here's the thing shanti May 2013 #61
I agree that if that's what he wants to be that's it, but I also virgogal May 2013 #62
IMHO, the ones who strongly supported Obama and then were betrayed by him are the angriest. AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #2
That subject line is SO true and largely explains the range of responses to... Poll_Blind May 2013 #5
"Betrayed" is a rather strong word... TreasonousBastard May 2013 #7
It is a strong word - and in many respects an accurate one. Ms. Toad May 2013 #12
In 2008, Candidate Obama campaigned on an issue that was important to many of us: to not hire AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #14
So ... Summer Hathaway May 2013 #8
You misstate what I've said. AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #15
I fail to understand Summer Hathaway May 2013 #18
Your false statement is: AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #19
You have stated your position Summer Hathaway May 2013 #20
You have made it abundently clear that when you disagree with someone, you falsely re-state what AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #22
Your own words speak for themselves. Summer Hathaway May 2013 #25
I feel that you have a right to be angry LostOne4Ever May 2013 #13
Welcome to DU! Summer Hathaway May 2013 #33
Thanks LostOne4Ever May 2013 #53
Yes, I worked my ass off for him both times, especially 2012. we can do it May 2013 #41
Actually, LWolf May 2013 #42
I'm not angry at Democratic voters. I'm angry at Obama, the enablers who tricked us, and AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #44
But it doesn't bother you LWolf May 2013 #45
Not as much. The reason being that a Senator who I respected and trusted (Durbin) endorsed Obama. AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #50
I don't feel betrayed at all. mimi85 May 2013 #55
The minute the word "hater" comes out, I move on to the next post. winter is coming May 2013 #4
How has he surprised you? newmember May 2013 #9
The war policy is probably #1 Bonobo May 2013 #10
When did Obama Summer Hathaway May 2013 #21
In 2009, as you know. I know you pretend that it never happened Dragonfli May 2013 #36
Don't expect an answer from that particular person davidpdx May 2013 #59
I keep seeing this BS Summer Hathaway May 2013 #63
Giving de facto immunity to openly admitted war criminals is #1 on my sheet. AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #24
Bush, Cheney et al Summer Hathaway May 2013 #31
Still pretending he didn't let them all skate on torture? Dragonfli May 2013 #32
As I pointed out to you Summer Hathaway May 2013 #51
Vincent Bugliosi, a well-known prosecutor, has laid out some details. Educate yourself: AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #34
I have read the book Summer Hathaway May 2013 #37
+1 magellan May 2013 #35
I see GOPers and Rand Paul likes Iliyah May 2013 #11
Nailed it. FSogol May 2013 #27
Hear, hear! k&r n/t Laelth May 2013 #16
I'm sure you will get a personalized Whisp May 2013 #17
Loyalty during election time, but after that, I agree, we should speak out! reformist2 May 2013 #23
So ... this thread is all about you. Jesu Cristo. Buzz Clik May 2013 #26
I helped, too. madamesilverspurs May 2013 #28
Try here: AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #29
Ah, yes, of course Summer Hathaway May 2013 #56
I still think... Jamaal510 May 2013 #48
I =wish= I could continue to support him. I voted for him. But his policies have been Fire Walk With Me May 2013 #54
I can't say the same about helping elect him. Hayabusa May 2013 #30
oh you ran into one of THOSE people Skittles May 2013 #38
K&R forestpath May 2013 #39
In a democracy, it is the responsibility of the people to hold public servants accountable. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2013 #40
B.O. pintobean May 2013 #46
i too worked hard for this president twice arely staircase May 2013 #47
Did someone call Bonobo an Obama hater? This OP comes from left field. Honeycombe8 May 2013 #49
I helped keep my homestate blue in 2010. joshcryer May 2013 #57
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