Belief That "Second Coming" May Be Preventing Climate Change Action

[AverageJoe90]

54. You don't get it, I'm afraid.

Equating fundamentalists to so called 'doomers' is ridiculous.

Not really. Have you been around E & E much, btw?

Climate change could very well fuck our current civilization if not dealt with.

Maybe in the long term. MAYBE. But there's many who are saying it WILL happen within our lifetimes.....no matter how bad it may get, climate change by itself just can't do the job in such a short period of time.

Notice, I said current civilization?

Doesn't really change a thing.

That means other human civilizations will follow us, likely ones that our grandchildren might curse us for.

Care to elaborate?

Consumption is a huge problem. There is no reason to not conserve, be frugal, and minimize one's impact on the world around them. A transition to other economic forms that do not stress consumptive behavior is definitely needed.

Yes, I won't argue with that, but many go much farther than that.
There's a difference between just reducing your impact on the environment, and totally rejecting modern civilization; most of them go for the latter.

Embrace our immanent demise? Why would a 'doomer' advocate that?

If you are seriously stumped about this, then you REALLY don't know jack squat about genuine doomers, I'm afraid.

The whole point of 'their' philosophy is to wake people the fuck up from their consumption induced coma so that we can pull humanity's collective ass out of the fire.

Some may genuinely do this, but not quite all, or even many, by any stretch of the imagination.

The IPCC lays out a pretty grim picture already, but it is hard to fault some folks for thinking that the IPCC may have softballed their predictions.

They didn't. In fact, their predictions on temperature increase and a plethora of other things were about right on the money for the most part.

Data since that study was released have only shown that climate change is increasing faster than expected.

Maybe perhaps relative to the most optimistic models, particularly that of AR2 in 1995. But overall, not really. And certainly, apart from perhaps Arctic ice melt, NONE of the more extreme predictions that I know of have come even close to reality.

I have not seen anyone that considers others that accept climate change as fact be attacked as a denier. Minimizer, definitely though.

I've had BOTH terms thrown at me, and I'm NOT the only one falsely accused of such, either.

I don't see that as being any different from you describing them as exaggerators, which is all a matter of opinion.

Well, it certainly is, and no, it's not just an opinion, but a FACT as well.

But going so far as to somehow put 'doomers' in league with end-timers? That is pretty extreme.

And did you notice that I didn't say ALL doomers, btw? With that said, though, many are indeed as screwed-up as the most extreme deniers or mainstream Evangelical Fundies, in MANY regards. It seriously isn't that hard to understand.