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Bigredhunk

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Sun May 5, 2013, 07:01 AM
May 2013

This boycott shit just gets to be about too much anymore. You could go crazy trying to figure out who deserves your $$ and who doesn't. We boycott some places/brands, but it's impossible to boycott them all. Our list of no-no's:

Mall-Wart - We haven't stepped foot or spent $$ one in 10 years. This is fairly tough to do in small town Eastern IA, where there aren't a lot of options. Something else that makes it difficult is that I/we like to shop at night when people aren't out. They're the only store of their type to be open 24/7. Everyone closes too damn early.

Papa John's

Domino's

Jimmy John's

Dunkin Donuts

Nestle - Although it's hard to COMPLETELY boycott them.

Home Depot

Lowe's - Not sure about the whole outfit, but they brought in non-union labor to build the local store.

I'm sure there are plenty more we boycott (including local assholes), but I'm drawing a blank right now. Reading all the posts on progressive forums makes me feel like giving up. Let's face it, there are very few left-leaning companies (let alone progressive ones). Most businesses are cut-throat and do only bottom-line thinking. It's easy to shop as a righty, everyone has your interests at heart. As a lefty? There's almost nowhere.

Costco is pretty good (although I don't think they're big union fans). I'm the biggest Costco nuthugger on the planet. I'd love to spend most of my paycheck there. Unfortunately, their (very successful) business model is to build around affluent larger cities. It works well for them. It doesn't work for me. We've been paying members for 10 years. The first 4 of those years, we didn't have a Costco in our state. We'd drive to Minneapolis...stay a few days...load up our car beyond belief...haul it all home. Then they finally built one in Des Moines in '04, but that's still way too far (200-250 miles). Then came Madison, WI (120 miles). The newest is Coralville, IA...but that's still 100 miles away. We don't have the vehicles or the $$ to drive 100 miles one way to get our supplies. We get there as often as possible and spend a bunch (usually about every 6-10 weeks...$400-$700). The median income of a Costco family is something like $77k per year (and that was years ago, might be more now). We don't make that much. Throw in $40 in gas to get there and back...it's just hard.

But we spend plenty at places we should boycott for one reason or another. Target is bad for various reasons, so they should be boycotted (we don't). They're our alternative to Mall-Wart. Menard's is the big home improvement shop around here. They were very pro-Walker, so we should boycott them (we don't). Amazon has had there share of problems (ALEC, bad warehouse conditions), so we should boycott them (we don't). Whole Foods has a jerkoff of a CEO, so we should boycott them (we don't -- they have great produce...are good about no artificial sugars/GMO's).

I've always counted Starbucks as one of the better ones. I know they knocked out mom and pop stores. I don't like that. But people don't go to mom and pop stores. It's the same with the giant booksellers knocking out the indies. Yeah, I hate that B & N did that. But are you telling me the cheap fucks in America are going to go indie and pay $35 for a Stephen King book? I don't like if Schultz thinks cutting SS is a smart move. I'll let them know that. But Starbucks is for raising the minimum wage. They try to bring attention to joblessness. They provide HC to employees working 20 hours per week or more (I've read Mall-Wart covers a higher % of workers -- no idea if that's true). Every time they have shareholder meeting, some asshole that owns 1 share raises a stink about their stance on gay marriage -- Schultz shoots them down every time (check Youtube).

People always talk shit about their overpriced coffee. We've spent tons there over the years. We never coffee at the stores. We get their coffee drinks (or actually, espresso drinks) and Frapps. We love their drinks. There aren't many alternatives around here either. There are a few Caribuou's, but Caribou sucks. Their drinks are way too sweet...and even worse, they taste fake sweet. And pretty much every place charges $3-$5 for drinks. We also drink their VIA, which we think is great. We load up when the price drops. 1 packet = 1 big cup of coffee. That's how we do our coffee at home now.

Anyway, you can't boycott everyone/everything you disagree with. There's just nothing left. And it's especially tough if you don't make a lot of $$. Fair trade coffee costs more, fair trade chocolate costs more, etc... Nike is bad, so we don't get them. Was always proud of the made-in-USA line of New Balance. Then you find out their CEO is a big republican backer. I will write Starbucks if this is true though.

I thought B & N and Bed, Bath, & Beyond were good. Not sure where I read that. Here's an older list:

http://www.goodguide.com/contributions#sector=All%20Categories&sort=-leaning&query=




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Dear Starbucks [View all] magical thyme May 2013 OP
Of course, the real solution would be to dump capitalism. iemitsu May 2013 #1
No no no.... ohheckyeah May 2013 #2
Your solution would, at least, fatten one's wallet. iemitsu May 2013 #7
Whose? n/t ohheckyeah May 2013 #9
Anyone who follows your advice. iemitsu May 2013 #31
I totally agree! nt caledesi May 2013 #17
I'd rather enjoy the coffee I like and fatten my wallet ohheckyeah May 2013 #34
I have a suggestion BlueStreak May 2013 #3
I totally agree! nt caledesi May 2013 #18
Like you, savebigbird May 2013 #38
Why not just make coffee at home !DUH!!! pangaia May 2013 #43
seems their website is too busy to respond at this time onethatcares May 2013 #4
I got the same message so everyone carry on and drop 'em a note lunasun May 2013 #5
Funny, I had somehow gotten the impression that Starbucks was run by a progressive. AnnieK401 May 2013 #6
Progressives...... TinkerTot55 May 2013 #47
The Starbucks Liberation App Newest Reality May 2013 #8
That's a fantastic idea MannyGoldstein May 2013 #25
Yes, it would be cool Newest Reality May 2013 #29
A large poster outside Starbucks Rosa Luxemburg May 2013 #10
So true! nt caledesi May 2013 #19
Oh and Dear Starbucks. Why don't you take part of you 44 million in executive compensation, Maraya1969 May 2013 #11
Yeah Mr. CEO! nt caledesi May 2013 #20
Dear Maraya1969: TinkerTot55 May 2013 #48
Starbucks does invest their political cash mostly with Democrats. fleabiscuit May 2013 #12
As the OP said "SS has nothing to do with the debt!" nt caledesi May 2013 #22
I try not to assume. fleabiscuit May 2013 #33
It's paid off. A dem prez put SS on the table. CrispyQ May 2013 #28
Hard to believe, but I have never been in a Starbucks. This gives me just one more reason to firenewt May 2013 #13
Me neither sarge43 May 2013 #21
This is so funny.. cos I don't even like hot coffee! nt caledesi May 2013 #23
Website busy still. SalviaBlue May 2013 #14
Post Script rickyhall May 2013 #15
I sent a message to the effect that RebelOne May 2013 #16
Good for you! nt caledesi May 2013 #24
Sent! LiberalLovinLug May 2013 #26
CEOs funding fixthedebt.org handmade34 May 2013 #27
What a diverse bunch! savebigbird May 2013 #40
Like I pointed out in the other thread, this brouhaha is bogus Wednesdays May 2013 #30
Let them hear from you on Facebook wilsonbooks May 2013 #32
If I could humbly add my voice to the choir DonCoquixote May 2013 #35
Also stop burning the fuck out of your beans just to make it look more "richer" Bonobo May 2013 #36
+1000 savebigbird May 2013 #39
-- Bigredhunk May 2013 #37
If only Starbucks and others would pay their own share of taxes, we would not be in such a big mess. Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel May 2013 #41
Yippee.~I just did it. pangaia May 2013 #42
re:Dear Starbucks allan01 May 2013 #44
Sent. Thanks for the link! Squinch May 2013 #45
k&r nt steve2470 May 2013 #46
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