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PopeOxycontinI

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22. Nothing surprising here...

Sun May 5, 2013, 12:58 PM

May 2013

Conservatives "family values" talk has always been belied by both their economics policies
and their own sex scandals. They are a bunch of hypocritical snotty sadistic
Victorian schoolmasters straight out of a Dickens novel. They also may honestly be
stupid enough or living in a thick enough bubble that they do not see the disconnect.

But as far as unemployed men who have the gall to be unwilling to do housework...um where the hell are they
finding these people? I would not mind being a "househusband" who makes dinner and cleans up
as long as the wife did not go out of her way to make me feel like less of a man for it. As far as kids go,
I never wanted those. And this is one reason low-income people should have easy access to birth control.
Love or marriage when you are low-income is one thing...actually allowing you to pool resources.
Kids, though, makes for a shitstorm.

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The Marrying Kind: (Ghettoization of the working class) [View all] HiPointDem May 2013 OP

k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth May 2013 #1

Well, well, well. "Financially independent women who both earn the bulk Nay May 2013 #2

Study of various historical 'underclasses' shows one of the predictable tactics of capital HiPointDem May 2013 #4

Exactly. They are doing to the white underclass just what they did to the black underclass -- Nay May 2013 #5

i don't think that it's really "culturally unwilling". i think it's a bit more complicated. when HiPointDem May 2013 #6

I still think 'culturally unwilling' fits, though, because doing women's work seems to make men Nay May 2013 #7

I think it's a mistake to view things exclusively through the lens of male/female, because the HiPointDem May 2013 #9

I think you have to look at the micro AND the macro. Most people just trying to get along in Nay May 2013 #10

"EXCEPT by making individual choices that work for them in the here and now". the choices HiPointDem May 2013 #12

If by essentialist you mean that men and women have definite characteristics that will always Nay May 2013 #13

likewise. HiPointDem May 2013 #14

You both forgot the name calling and insulting mythology May 2013 #16

easy to forget it when one's co-discussant doesn't lead with it. HiPointDem May 2013 #17

It is, isn't it? I tend to bug out of threads that get nasty, as so many of them do. Again, I have Nay May 2013 #21

This is the kind of post that makes me wish I could rec individual posts. redqueen May 2013 #8

Well, thanks. Nay May 2013 #11

"dumping marriage," though, isn't an unalloyed 'good,' just better than the alternative -- maybe, HiPointDem May 2013 #15

Not celebrating it, no, because I think kids do so much better with an intact family. Nay May 2013 #19

Women hold on to high income men Fumesucker May 2013 #18

Low-income men are not always bad marriage partners; Mr Nay and I are high-income, and we know Nay May 2013 #20

Evidently you are now changing your tune.. Fumesucker May 2013 #30

This message was self-deleted by its author galileoreloaded May 2013 #25

+1000 YoungDemCA May 2013 #26

i've got a great idea... galileoreloaded May 2013 #29

I read the whole article senseandsensibility May 2013 #3

Nothing surprising here... PopeOxycontinI May 2013 #22

Or, as the late, great Daniel Patrick Moynihan got into trouble for saying - hedgehog May 2013 #23

nothing to do with anything the late unlamented pat moynihan ever said. HiPointDem May 2013 #24

Community issues are a product of economic circumstances... YoungDemCA May 2013 #27

I think Moynihan saw it as a chicken and egg problem or feed-back loop - which enraged people hedgehog May 2013 #28