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gejohnston

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29. but there is no evidence that has anything to do with their murder rate

Sun May 5, 2013, 09:01 PM

May 2013

classic example of post hoc ergo propter hoc. That is the same with UK or Australia. While there was one study that claims that NFA led to a drop, but three other studies counter that. Murder rates did not go down. While Semi auto rifles are now banned in Australia, gun ownership is back to pre NFA levels and ownership is slightly increasing.
Can't say UK, because UK's didn't drop after the ban. It was always that low if not lower. Even if it did, see above logical fallacy. It is just as absurd as the NRA claiming that concealed carry liberalization led to the lower violent crime and murder rates we have now.

In 2004, the National Academy of Sciences reviewed 253 journal articles, 99 books, 43 government publications and some empirical research of its own about guns. The Academy could not identify any gun restriction that had reduced violent crime, suicide or gun accidents.

http://jurist.org/forum/2013/02/don-kates-crimonology-firearms.php

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I need any solid* links proving gun violence decreases when there is an assault weapons ban [View all] LaydeeBug May 2013 OP

Just say Australia malaise May 2013 #1

I was going to say the same. Cleita May 2013 #17

Didja' google it? Kolesar May 2013 #2

yes. nt LaydeeBug May 2013 #5

It would be easier if you use handgun bans newmember May 2013 #3

Just word it carefully so hopefully nobody compares pipoman May 2013 #6

Pretty sure there is no "verifiable links" pipoman May 2013 #4

You are probably correct on that newmember May 2013 #7

It goes to the red car example.. pipoman May 2013 #8

I will disagree to a point newmember May 2013 #10

but there is no evidence that has anything to do with their murder rate gejohnston May 2013 #29

I think you are still refering to the AWB edhopper May 2013 #12

They are always very careful to say "gun death/murder rate" pipoman May 2013 #14

Seemed to reduce both in Australia edhopper May 2013 #19

Australia scares the shit out of the gun radicalists. morningfog May 2013 #30

not quite true gejohnston May 2013 #31

Really? That is a highly disingenuous statement about the Democratic Congress...really. LaydeeBug May 2013 #20

He stated he would sign pipoman May 2013 #25

Here Are Some Solid Studies ... 66 dmhlt May 2013 #9

thank you. thank you very much. nt LaydeeBug May 2013 #22

Here you go, number of mass murders by assault weapons DOUBLED after ban lifted uponit7771 May 2013 #11

thank you. I appreciate it, nt LaydeeBug May 2013 #24

What do you mean by "verifiable"? baldguy May 2013 #13

DiFi telling the truth? LAGC May 2013 #15

Compared to the NRA? There's no contest. baldguy May 2013 #16

True, but that's setting the bar pretty low, don't you think? LAGC May 2013 #18

Since her stats came from the FBI nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #26

I mean, not from "The Blaze" (Rw example, I know but still) or World Net Daily. nt LaydeeBug May 2013 #21

Do a search on Mother Jones magazine. greatlaurel May 2013 #23

Perhaps you should read this. premium May 2013 #28

Mother Jones magazine, who are using DOJ data nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #27