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gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
31. not quite true
Sun May 5, 2013, 09:16 PM
May 2013

they had two since then. One by arson. None by gun.
They didn't have any before the 13 year string of them either. It started with a shoot out between two rival gangs, and ended with Port Author. Since there was no change in gun laws that preceded it, one can't really conclude that gun laws had anything to do with it.

While suicide rates in Australia is trending down, Australia's gun ownership rate is about the same as it was before pre NFA and was never very high, at least compared to North America and Europe. In fact, It is lower than Iceland's.
In short, Australia's gun ownership rate is largely unchanged, maybe slightly higher or lower but suicide rates are still dropping. That could have to do with a Labour govt being in charge instead of the right leaning Liberal party. BBC did a study showing a correlation that Australia's suicide rate rises during a right of center government and drops during a left of center government, a trend that has been consistent for at least 100 years. NFA was put in place when right winger John Howard was PM.

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Just say Australia malaise May 2013 #1
I was going to say the same. Cleita May 2013 #17
Didja' google it? Kolesar May 2013 #2
yes. nt LaydeeBug May 2013 #5
It would be easier if you use handgun bans newmember May 2013 #3
Just word it carefully so hopefully nobody compares pipoman May 2013 #6
Pretty sure there is no "verifiable links" pipoman May 2013 #4
You are probably correct on that newmember May 2013 #7
It goes to the red car example.. pipoman May 2013 #8
I will disagree to a point newmember May 2013 #10
but there is no evidence that has anything to do with their murder rate gejohnston May 2013 #29
I think you are still refering to the AWB edhopper May 2013 #12
They are always very careful to say "gun death/murder rate" pipoman May 2013 #14
Seemed to reduce both in Australia edhopper May 2013 #19
Australia scares the shit out of the gun radicalists. morningfog May 2013 #30
not quite true gejohnston May 2013 #31
Really? That is a highly disingenuous statement about the Democratic Congress...really. LaydeeBug May 2013 #20
He stated he would sign pipoman May 2013 #25
Here Are Some Solid Studies ... 66 dmhlt May 2013 #9
thank you. thank you very much. nt LaydeeBug May 2013 #22
Here you go, number of mass murders by assault weapons DOUBLED after ban lifted uponit7771 May 2013 #11
thank you. I appreciate it, nt LaydeeBug May 2013 #24
What do you mean by "verifiable"? baldguy May 2013 #13
DiFi telling the truth? LAGC May 2013 #15
Compared to the NRA? There's no contest. baldguy May 2013 #16
True, but that's setting the bar pretty low, don't you think? LAGC May 2013 #18
Since her stats came from the FBI nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #26
I mean, not from "The Blaze" (Rw example, I know but still) or World Net Daily. nt LaydeeBug May 2013 #21
Do a search on Mother Jones magazine. greatlaurel May 2013 #23
Perhaps you should read this. premium May 2013 #28
Mother Jones magazine, who are using DOJ data nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #27
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