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eridani

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Mon May 6, 2013, 04:13 AM May 2013

Aetna will drop out of health insurance exchanges if they are not profitable enough [View all]

http://investor.aetna.com/phoenix.zhtml?p=irol-eventDetails&c=110617&eventID=48891183
Q1 2013 Earnings Conference Call
Mark Bertolini - Chairman, CEO and President, and Shawn Guertin - Chief Financial Officer

Guertin: On the individual and small group, it is not a function of irrational pricing in any way, shape or form. We've talked before about the importance of having solid operating margins going into 2014, and so we have continued to err on the side of caution in our pricing on that product. And as I mentioned we'll favor sort of margin over membership on this.

Bertolini: We are entering these exchanges very carefully. We are about two-thirds of the way contracted for our exchanges. Those tend to be narrow networks that are generally 25 to 50 percent of the size of our base networks in those marketplaces. Currently the rates we're getting for most of those networks is between Medicare and commercial, based on the narrower networks, the closer we get to Medicare. The rates will really be based on geography and probably, more importantly, will be based on how much we get the network contracted. So our approach in the initial pricing that we've submitted to the exchanges has been focused on where we have rates on a document inked. We've included those into our cost structure. Where we do not, and we need to add providers for network sufficiency, we're pricing those at commercial pricing until we otherwise know that we have a betterrate. And, as you know, the negotiations will take place through the summer and into the fall. Obviously, at the end of all of this, we have an opportunity to pull out in September, and we continue to hold that as an option should the exchanges not develop favorably, or they ask for unreasonable rates by the time we need to close on participation.


Comment by Don McCanne of PNHP: In this quarterly earnings conference call, Aetna's Mark Bertolini and Shawn Guertin demonstrate their executive skills in guiding this large insurance corporation in the direction of providing the greatest returns for the investors. From a corporate governance perspective, that's exactly as it should be. How well does that work from the perspective of our health care system?

Chief Financial Officer Guertin says that they will favor "margin over membership." That is, they will sacrifice the option of bringing more people under the insurance umbrella in exchange for greater profits for the Aetna investors. Is limiting access to the payer of health benefits a policy decision that we want driving our health care system?

Chairman Bertolini says that they intend to reduce the size of their already-limited provider networks by one-half to three-fourths in order to use that leverage to squeeze payment rates for their remaining providers. So they are deliberately removing choices that patients would have in selecting their health care professionals and institutions for the purpose of increasing their margins (profits). Is impairing access by restricting choice a policy decision that we want made for our health care?

Chairman Bertolini also says that they will continue to hold onto the option of pulling out of the exchanges if they do not "develop favorably" or if "they ask for unreasonable rates." Is this a policy to take care of patients, or one to take care of investors?

Imagine a public single payer program, such as an improved Medicare that covered everyone. "Margin over membership" would be unheard of. As a universal system, everyone would be included. It would be inconceivable that the stewards of the system would limit the numbers enrolled as a means of generating more favorable balance sheets.

It's the model that's wrong. We need to change it.
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They all will, and then some of them will likely drop out of Warpy May 2013 #1
Aetna is ProSense May 2013 #15
Well, they can leave too zipplewrath May 2013 #18
Well, ProSense May 2013 #19
But it's not an empty threat zipplewrath May 2013 #20
No, ProSense May 2013 #23
Also, if it's ProSense May 2013 #24
Large markets zipplewrath May 2013 #28
First, ProSense May 2013 #29
Sure, no problem zipplewrath May 2013 #34
So ProSense May 2013 #35
Yes zipplewrath May 2013 #36
You mean, ProSense May 2013 #37
Yes zipplewrath May 2013 #38
Wait, ProSense May 2013 #39
Some won't be zipplewrath May 2013 #40
Are you saying ProSense May 2013 #41
I said what I meant zipplewrath May 2013 #43
And ProSense May 2013 #44
Just a sec... Sheepshank May 2013 #42
Are their customers mandated? zipplewrath May 2013 #48
This was about their perceived need for $XXX profits, no? Sheepshank May 2013 #49
The profit motive has always been there zipplewrath May 2013 #51
Don't worry, this is just a temper tantrum which will be effective. Congress will fix it for them sabrina 1 May 2013 #46
I dropped Aetna a few months ago. Saved $19,200 a year thanks to President Obama's plan. graham4anything May 2013 #2
Can you say a bit more about how this worked? What was the process? enough May 2013 #6
ok graham4anything May 2013 #7
Thanks for spelling this out. That is really an amazing savings. enough May 2013 #17
That's the idea Recursion May 2013 #3
Exactly. "Not profitable enough" OneGrassRoot May 2013 #4
one must include doctors in that statement too. graham4anything May 2013 #8
Doctors have to charge that much so that the insurance company pays them enough. hobbit709 May 2013 #10
I don't think "everyone" does. OneGrassRoot May 2013 #11
a nice dream KentuckyWoman May 2013 #5
Health insurance companies are unnecessary parasites. Quantess May 2013 #9
Exactly, nothing but Middlemen who drain money from the HC providing nothing in actual HC sabrina 1 May 2013 #47
For Profit Health Care Will Never Be Affordable cantbeserious May 2013 #12
Aetna gets bad reviews KrazyinKS May 2013 #13
...and if they pay out ...you will have to pay them back if you get any money from anyone else. L0oniX May 2013 #26
they learned from the TBTF Banks magical thyme May 2013 #14
Aetna sucks..good riddance SoCalDem May 2013 #16
Aetna has always been the worst of the worst of junk insurance peddlers. geek tragedy May 2013 #21
NYLCare was bad, then Aetna bought them out. hobbit709 May 2013 #33
once they all drop out we'll be on the road to single payer. ileus May 2013 #22
Aetna is NOT an insurance corporation by any meaning of the word insurance... L0oniX May 2013 #25
Good, then in good capitalistic spirit they will be crushed and go out of business. cbdo2007 May 2013 #27
Let them go! elleng May 2013 #30
As the insurers who "sort of favor margin over membership" drop out lumberjack_jeff May 2013 #31
They say that as if we care... supernova May 2013 #32
Where will they go? LiberalFighter May 2013 #45
Fuck Aetna with a rusty chainsaw steve2470 May 2013 #50
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