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ProSense

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37. You mean,
Mon May 6, 2013, 03:04 PM
May 2013

"Yes, his and the senators that set up this monstrosity."

...the "monstrosity" that will save people money (despite your defense of Aetna's BS threat)?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022804988

...the "monstrosity" that strengthened Medicare: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2670334

...the "monstrosity" that expanded Medicaid to more 17 million more Americans: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022456901

This "monstrosity":

Editorial

Report Card on Health Care Reform

By THE EDITORIAL BOARD

Republican leaders in Congress regularly denounce the 2010 Affordable Care Act and vow to block money to carry it out or even to repeal it. Those political attacks ignore the considerable benefits delivered to millions of people since the law’s enactment three years ago Saturday. The main elements of the law do not kick in until Jan. 1, 2014, when many millions of uninsured people will gain coverage. Yet it has already thrown a lifeline to people at high risk of losing insurance or being uninsured, including young adults and people with chronic health problems, and it has made a start toward reforming the costly, dysfunctional American health care system.

EXPANDING COVERAGE Starting in 2010, all insurers and employers that offer dependent coverage were required to offer coverage to dependent children up to age 26. An estimated 6.6 million people ages 19 through 25 have been able to stay on or join their parents’ plans as result, with more than 3 million previously uninsured young adults getting health insurance. The law requires private health insurers to provide free preventive care, without co-pays or deductibles. Some 71 million Americans have received at least one free preventive service, like a mammogram or a flu shot, and an additional 34 million older Americans got free preventive services in 2012 under Medicare.

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The law appropriated $11 billion over five years to build and operate community health centers, a major factor in increasing the annual number of patients served to 21 million, a rise of 3 million from previous levels. Some $5 billion has been put into a reinsurance program that has encouraged employers to retain coverage for retirees and their families; 19 million people benefited with reduced premiums or cost-sharing.

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BETTER QUALITY OF CARE One of the most promising aspects of the health reform act is its focus on improving quality. The percentage of Medicare patients requiring readmission to the hospital within 30 days of discharge dropped from an average of 19 percent over the past five years to 17.8 percent in the last half of 2012, an improvement due in large part to penalties imposed by Medicare for poor performance and financial incentives paid by Medicare to providers to encourage better coordination of care after a patient leaves the hospital.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/24/opinion/sunday/report-card-on-health-care-reform.html

Here's a summary of the NYT report:

That includes:

  • Some 6.6 million people ages 19 through 25 who have been able to stay on their parents' insurance plans and more than than 3 million young adults getting health insurance.

  • 17 million getting some kind of free preventive service, like flu shots, and 34 million Medicare recipients getting free preventive services in 2012;

  • 17 million children with pre-existing conditions being protected against being uninsured;

  • More than 107,000 adults with pre-existing conditions finally having insurance under the federally run insurance program;

  • 21 million received care from expanded community health centers, 3 million more than previously served;

  • $1.1 billion in rebates, an average of $151 per family paid by insurers that failed to meet the benchmark of 80 to 85 percent of premium revenues on medical claims or quality improvements;

  • Since 2010, more than 6.3 million older or disabled people have saved more than $6.3 billion on prescription drugs;
- more -

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/03/25/1196892/-An-Affordable-Care-Act-report-card-three-years-in


...this "monstrosity":

Vermont also intends to be the first state in the U.S. with a single-payer health-care system, in which the government pays all of its residents’ medical bills and insurance companies are unnecessary. The state legislature passed a law in 2011 to steer the state toward adopting such a system in 2017, the soonest possible under the federal health-care law.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-04-01/vermont-s-first-look-at-insurance-exchange-rates-shows-savings.html


"It's called Obamacare for a reason."

Yup: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021303316

Why Republicans are So Intent on Killing Health Care Reform

by Richard Kirsch

It’s not just about expanded care. It’s about proving our government can be a force for the common good.

Why are John Boehner, Eric Cantor and Mitch McConnell so intent on stopping health care reform from ever taking hold? For the same reason that Republicans and the corporate Right spent more than $200 million in the last year to demonize health care in swing Congressional districts. It wasn’t just about trying to stop the bill from becoming law or taking over Congress. It is because health reform, if it takes hold, will create a bond between the American people and government, just as Social Security and Medicare have done. Democrats, and all those who believe that government has a positive place in our lives, should remember how much is at stake as Republicans and corporate elites try to use their electoral victory to dismantle the new health care law.

My enjoyment of the MLB playoffs last month was interrupted by ads run by Karl Rove’s Crossroads front group against upstate New York Rep. Scott Murphy, who was defeated last Tuesday. Rove’s ads rained accusations on Murphy, including the charge of a “government takeover of health care.” Some might have thought that once the public option was removed from the health care legislation, Republicans couldn’t make that charge. But it was never tied to the public option or any other specific reform. Republicans and their allies, following the advice of message guru Frank Luntz, were going to call whatever Democrats proposed a government takeover.

There’s nothing new here. Throughout American history, health care reform has been attacked as socialist. An editorial published in the Journal of the American Medical Association in December 1932, just after FDR’s election, claimed that proposals for compulsory insurance “were socialism and communism — inciting to revolution.” The PR firm that the American Medical Association hired to fight Truman’s push for national health insurance succeeded in popularizing a completely concocted quote that it attributed to Vladimir Lenin: “Socialized medicine is the keystone to the arch of the Socialist State.”

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President Obama and Democrats in Congress understood the historical importance and profound moral underpinnings of the new health care law when they enacted it earlier this year. And they knew that the right-wing attack had soured the public in swing Congressional districts and states on reform. They stood up then. They will have to stand up again, understanding that if they give way to Republicans, they lose more than the expansion of health coverage. They lose the best opportunity in half a century to prove to Americans that government can be a force for the common good.

http://www.nextnewdeal.net/why-republicans-are-so-intent-killing-health-care-reform

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They all will, and then some of them will likely drop out of Warpy May 2013 #1
Aetna is ProSense May 2013 #15
Well, they can leave too zipplewrath May 2013 #18
Well, ProSense May 2013 #19
But it's not an empty threat zipplewrath May 2013 #20
No, ProSense May 2013 #23
Also, if it's ProSense May 2013 #24
Large markets zipplewrath May 2013 #28
First, ProSense May 2013 #29
Sure, no problem zipplewrath May 2013 #34
So ProSense May 2013 #35
Yes zipplewrath May 2013 #36
You mean, ProSense May 2013 #37
Yes zipplewrath May 2013 #38
Wait, ProSense May 2013 #39
Some won't be zipplewrath May 2013 #40
Are you saying ProSense May 2013 #41
I said what I meant zipplewrath May 2013 #43
And ProSense May 2013 #44
Just a sec... Sheepshank May 2013 #42
Are their customers mandated? zipplewrath May 2013 #48
This was about their perceived need for $XXX profits, no? Sheepshank May 2013 #49
The profit motive has always been there zipplewrath May 2013 #51
Don't worry, this is just a temper tantrum which will be effective. Congress will fix it for them sabrina 1 May 2013 #46
I dropped Aetna a few months ago. Saved $19,200 a year thanks to President Obama's plan. graham4anything May 2013 #2
Can you say a bit more about how this worked? What was the process? enough May 2013 #6
ok graham4anything May 2013 #7
Thanks for spelling this out. That is really an amazing savings. enough May 2013 #17
That's the idea Recursion May 2013 #3
Exactly. "Not profitable enough" OneGrassRoot May 2013 #4
one must include doctors in that statement too. graham4anything May 2013 #8
Doctors have to charge that much so that the insurance company pays them enough. hobbit709 May 2013 #10
I don't think "everyone" does. OneGrassRoot May 2013 #11
a nice dream KentuckyWoman May 2013 #5
Health insurance companies are unnecessary parasites. Quantess May 2013 #9
Exactly, nothing but Middlemen who drain money from the HC providing nothing in actual HC sabrina 1 May 2013 #47
For Profit Health Care Will Never Be Affordable cantbeserious May 2013 #12
Aetna gets bad reviews KrazyinKS May 2013 #13
...and if they pay out ...you will have to pay them back if you get any money from anyone else. L0oniX May 2013 #26
they learned from the TBTF Banks magical thyme May 2013 #14
Aetna sucks..good riddance SoCalDem May 2013 #16
Aetna has always been the worst of the worst of junk insurance peddlers. geek tragedy May 2013 #21
NYLCare was bad, then Aetna bought them out. hobbit709 May 2013 #33
once they all drop out we'll be on the road to single payer. ileus May 2013 #22
Aetna is NOT an insurance corporation by any meaning of the word insurance... L0oniX May 2013 #25
Good, then in good capitalistic spirit they will be crushed and go out of business. cbdo2007 May 2013 #27
Let them go! elleng May 2013 #30
As the insurers who "sort of favor margin over membership" drop out lumberjack_jeff May 2013 #31
They say that as if we care... supernova May 2013 #32
Where will they go? LiberalFighter May 2013 #45
Fuck Aetna with a rusty chainsaw steve2470 May 2013 #50
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