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ejbrush

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91. Any thoughts on a tier system?

Reply to cherokeeprogressive (Original post)

Mon May 6, 2013, 10:54 PM

May 2013

I like the idea of a FOID card that would be subject to periodic renewal. I would tie various firearm family endorsements levels to that card, based on safety training, demonstrated secure storage intent, local community approval, more rigorous background checks and proof of insurance. These endorsements would apply to tiers of firearms, based on the family of firearm. You start with an unrestricted family, muzzle-loading replicas, .22 rimfire rifles, single shot centerfire rifles and single-shot shotguns. You have an FOID endorsement for repeating rifle or shotgun ownership, a further endorsement for handgun ownership, a further endorsement for self-loading firearms, a further endorsement for the toys like full auto or short barreled items, a further endorsement for artillery... We have a similar system in place for operating motor vehicles on the public roadways - motorcycle endorsements, commercial drivers license, chauffeur license, haz-mat license.

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I'm going to try starting a conversation about what "responsible" gun laws should look like... [View all] cherokeeprogressive May 2013 OP

That seems like a very reasonable compromise on the rkba issue. I'm happy to be the first k&r. Electric Monk May 2013 #1

I'm sure there is some measure of people who are afraid they'd fail the background check. cherokeeprogressive May 2013 #4

It bans every rifle designed in the past century or so Recursion May 2013 #21

Couldn't they be retrofitted to comply? Think of all the gunsmiths it'd provide extra jobs for. nt Electric Monk May 2013 #61

I'm all for stimulus funds Recursion May 2013 #62

I will assume you agree NO to national reciprocity like the Cronyn amendment or graham4anything May 2013 #2

Every time you make the "no bullets" argument, I have to laugh... cherokeeprogressive May 2013 #8

I note you didn't answer about the Cornyn amendment graham4anything May 2013 #13

Maybe no one knows who or what the "Cronyn amendment" (sic) is?? If you are going to stand up, Ghost in the Machine May 2013 #30

it's the prize found in the bottom of the cracker jack box, that says the NRA got what it wants graham4anything May 2013 #32

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name calling, as I am Jewish, I have heard it before. graham4anything May 2013 #51

sounds like everyone is supposed to like DeadEyeDyck May 2013 #3

I didn't say anything about voting. cherokeeprogressive May 2013 #6

gun humper logic Skittles May 2013 #7

If only you'd schedule this one for an... cherokeeprogressive May 2013 #9

alas, it doesn't work Skittles May 2013 #16

Touche... cherokeeprogressive May 2013 #19

Sounds reasonable to me! jazzimov May 2013 #5

how can it be enforced BEFORE someone is killed or hurt? graham4anything May 2013 #10

How do you enforce DUI laws before subjecting a driver to a breathalizer test? cherokeeprogressive May 2013 #11

All automobiles are registered and have a national registry. graham4anything May 2013 #12

Is this a Ceasar Word Salad, a House Word Salad, or a Wedge Word Salad? cherokeeprogressive May 2013 #15

your true colors show. I note again you did not say anything about the NRA pet project-recirpocity graham4anything May 2013 #20

You know, sometimes I'm not even sure we speak the same language. cherokeeprogressive May 2013 #25

I note you made no mention of reciprocity, but focus on minutia. So so so telling graham4anything May 2013 #28

A few years ago Minneapolis installed cameras Jenoch May 2013 #53

You don't live somewhere with speeding/red light cameras, do you? Recursion May 2013 #35

Red light cams. Never seen a speeding cam. cherokeeprogressive May 2013 #71

California has something I wish NYC could have graham4anything May 2013 #94

"Most families have ONE car driven by the entire driving age family." Jenoch May 2013 #55

I think you are due beer and travel money and many experiences. nt madinmaryland May 2013 #92

Tell us more about this Jenoch May 2013 #54

computers can get info nationwide. That is why now a ticket in Fl. costs & points on NJ insurance graham4anything May 2013 #57

I didn't ask about tickes and fines. Jenoch May 2013 #60

It can make the gun owner more careful treestar May 2013 #69

EXACTLY. Behaviour modification. jazzimov May 2013 #79

I believe serial numbers should be like vin numbers on cars.... Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #14

Every car has a VIN. Every gun has a serial number. I don't see the difference. cherokeeprogressive May 2013 #17

What a sleight of hand. If you don't register it, who knows that it is yours? graham4anything May 2013 #22

You just described the gun nuts worse nightmare,... Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #29

You need to check out Snopes about that picture. nt hack89 May 2013 #42

LOL! That's even better!... Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #56

Very rare I would imagine. hack89 May 2013 #58

I'm more impressed by this... Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #59

I would collect cars if I had that kind of money hack89 May 2013 #64

Kinda hard to fit in a basement though. Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #66

That's not voluntary... Pelican May 2013 #95

Do you mean someone could legally own one magazine per handgun? Recursion May 2013 #18

Slow down. Here's where it gets dicey... cherokeeprogressive May 2013 #24

But why worry about long guns at all? They aren't what's killing people Recursion May 2013 #26

Well. *MY* 30-06 *does have a removable magazine, but it only holds 4 shells, too. Ghost in the Machine May 2013 #23

I think a Firearm Operator ID Card is a great way to meet both of you two's concerns Recursion May 2013 #27

That sounds rational, on its face value.. but how how would you confirm the permit hasn't been... Ghost in the Machine May 2013 #31

Great question: my answer is a website and 800 number Recursion May 2013 #36

Good idea, but don't the cops and gun shops (Federally Licensed Dealers) use NCIC systems, which Ghost in the Machine May 2013 #37

Obviously there are privacy concerns, but these can be addressed Recursion May 2013 #38

This the first gun thread I will gladly R&K. longship May 2013 #33

Responsible Gun Law Number One - Heavily Tax Ammunition - Trace All Gunpowder With Taggants cantbeserious May 2013 #34

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So if your friend borrows your car, gets drunk and kills someone hack89 May 2013 #43

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You are not criminally liable hack89 May 2013 #45

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If you can prove willful negligence in court then sure hack89 May 2013 #48

The car analogy as usual is not valid treestar May 2013 #70

Unfortunately the post I was replying to was deleted hack89 May 2013 #75

Pistol owners who let somebody murder with their weapon should go away for a long stretch Kolesar May 2013 #41

"Let." Igel May 2013 #72

Who let Mr. Obtuse into the forum this afternoon? ... eom Kolesar May 2013 #86

One flaw with your registry scheme hack89 May 2013 #46

Gun possessors should have a current license... Sancho May 2013 #49

Insurance companies don't care if there are kids in the home hack89 May 2013 #65

If policies were required for guns (like auto and homeowners), they would probably ask about kids... Sancho May 2013 #74

I specifically insured my gun hack89 May 2013 #76

congrats on this thread. Nice to see some gun owners here stepping up. CTyankee May 2013 #50

I'm giving this a rec. Robb May 2013 #52

Let me also add Recursion May 2013 #63

Thanks cherokeeprogressive May 2013 #67

Sounds reasonable to me treestar May 2013 #68

I'm hard core and unreasonable about guns. hunter May 2013 #73

Cherokee, we wouldn't even need to debate guns if more gunners felt same way. Hoyt May 2013 #77

Banning guns like the Ruger 10/22 or Marlin 795 is unreasonable. Skeeter Barnes May 2013 #78

"No convicted felon should ever be allowed to possess a gun... Comatose Sphagetti May 2013 #80

you do the crime, you do the time DeadEyeDyck May 2013 #81

Very simplistic and jingoistic. Comatose Sphagetti May 2013 #84

Look, this is a non starter. It may very well be DeadEyeDyck May 2013 #82

Rubricizing? Comatose Sphagetti May 2013 #83

These cops needed a lot more than three rounds to defend themselves: Skeeter Barnes May 2013 #85

I think this is a good place to start. LWolf May 2013 #87

I'm Curious About This Timbuk3 May 2013 #88

A sober me wouldn't have put it quite that way... cherokeeprogressive May 2013 #89

Thanks for your reply Timbuk3 May 2013 #90

Any thoughts on a tier system? ejbrush May 2013 #91

I agree with a lot of wat you have there PD Turk May 2013 #93