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mistertrickster

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22. Right. I think that's where the controversy comes in.
Reply to Dokkie (Reply #18)
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 04:46 PM
Feb 2012

How do you define "responsible for" something?

Obviously, someone who falls 100 feet while rock climbing is not responsible for their death as a suicide would be.

But they put themselves into a riskier position, so some responsibility must be taken for that.

On the other hand, the inexorable laws of physics are not the same as the behavior of the man in the situation, who has a clear choice.

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On edit, I think it's incorrect to say that a woman can agree to sex and then claim she was raped--legally that wouldn't hold.

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DU Poll on Attitudes toward Rape [View all] mistertrickster Feb 2012 OP
Let me be the first atreides1 Feb 2012 #1
I would say she isn't too intelligent about her well-being if she does 4, 5 and 6... rfranklin Feb 2012 #2
That wasn't the question . . . is she responsible? yes or no? mistertrickster Feb 2012 #4
I think there is a difference between "she deserved it" and she was tempting fate... rfranklin Feb 2012 #8
it is a testiment to the way somw men think that any time a woman acts roguevalley Feb 2012 #88
I too vote NO. for the record. nt mistertrickster Feb 2012 #3
No. Brickbat Feb 2012 #5
NO.... the one responsible is the rapist. hlthe2b Feb 2012 #6
No. Cleita Feb 2012 #7
Yes if you agree with ANY, No if u disagree with all? wierd poll methodology nt msongs Feb 2012 #9
I agree, but it was the best way I could think of to try mistertrickster Feb 2012 #10
If she says "No" or "Stop" etc at any time and he continues - it's rape. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2012 #11
Men don't have BRAINS and cannot control themselves? HockeyMom Feb 2012 #12
I'll count that as NO. mistertrickster Feb 2012 #15
FUCK NO, in every example! 11 Bravo Feb 2012 #13
No (nt) Nye Bevan Feb 2012 #14
A woman is never responsible for "forced, unwanted sex against her will." Scuba Feb 2012 #16
^ this. nt cyberswede Feb 2012 #17
You're agreeing with ^ this? mistertrickster Feb 2012 #24
No to 1 and 2 Dokkie Feb 2012 #18
Right. I think that's where the controversy comes in. mistertrickster Feb 2012 #22
On the other hand we are talking about Dokkie Feb 2012 #25
I wish 99.99999% of men had that much control over themselves. Lunacee2012 Feb 2012 #85
No victim is ever responsible for "forced, unwanted sex against" their will. Solly Mack Feb 2012 #19
No, but 3-5 are not intelligent ways to proceed hifiguy Feb 2012 #20
And yet none of those examples are the same as giving consent. Chorophyll Feb 2012 #37
I agree completely. It isn't consent. hifiguy Feb 2012 #41
I know people who have been mugged WITHOUT being drunk or carrying lots of money. Chorophyll Feb 2012 #49
On that we agree completely. hifiguy Feb 2012 #57
No. eom tledford Feb 2012 #21
no qb Feb 2012 #23
No Nikia Feb 2012 #26
I did not even get to the starred statements... Ohio Joe Feb 2012 #27
None of the above JHB Feb 2012 #28
NO. Chorophyll Feb 2012 #29
I used that wording because the original study mistertrickster Feb 2012 #31
Eek! Tell ya what, Chorophyll Feb 2012 #34
I know the feeling! mistertrickster Feb 2012 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author likesmountains 52 Feb 2012 #30
Check out this poster from Stop Rape UK. Kind of explains who is responsible for rape likesmountains 52 Feb 2012 #32
This kinda steamed me off when I first saw it mistertrickster Feb 2012 #43
No kenfrequed Feb 2012 #33
how about if a man/woman is Dokkie Feb 2012 #42
Uhm... kenfrequed Feb 2012 #60
No StopTheNeoCons Feb 2012 #35
Here's the original survey results and link-- mistertrickster Feb 2012 #36
WTF? Ohio Joe Feb 2012 #46
That was in the original study mistertrickster Feb 2012 #48
The link is from the study, I get that... It is your words I question... Ohio Joe Feb 2012 #51
Okay, right. mistertrickster Feb 2012 #55
OK, sorry, I mis-understood Ohio Joe Feb 2012 #56
No, you were right. mistertrickster Feb 2012 #59
I wish you would have asked Dokkie Feb 2012 #50
Surprisingly, in the original study, women blamed the victim mistertrickster Feb 2012 #52
No and furthermore OriginalGeek Feb 2012 #39
Non-consensual sex is rape.... Spazito Feb 2012 #40
Yup, I totally agree with that actually. mistertrickster Feb 2012 #45
None of the above. lapislzi Feb 2012 #44
No n/t malaise Feb 2012 #47
No. UrbScotty Feb 2012 #53
NO Liberal_in_LA Feb 2012 #54
That would be a NO. geardaddy Feb 2012 #58
No to all of it Muskypundit Feb 2012 #61
Right . . . I wonder how much of this mistertrickster Feb 2012 #62
There's no excuse for rape MrScorpio Feb 2012 #63
No (nt) bigwillq Feb 2012 #64
No, no, no, a thousand times no! n/t RebelOne Feb 2012 #65
An easy and obvious no - by definition, not by judgment. saras Feb 2012 #66
flamebait. provis99 Feb 2012 #67
That wasn't my intention, and after 60 posts mistertrickster Feb 2012 #68
NO Vincardog Feb 2012 #69
No. LeftishBrit Feb 2012 #70
What the hell?!? NO curlyred Feb 2012 #71
NO Snarkoleptic Feb 2012 #72
"A woman is responsible for forced, unwanted sex against her will if"... NO LadyHawkAZ Feb 2012 #73
None of them Prophet 451 Feb 2012 #74
No libodem Feb 2012 #75
No, no, and HELL NO. n/t Withywindle Feb 2012 #76
No to all of the above. n/t TriMera Feb 2012 #77
I'm against it Boombaby Feb 2012 #78
No..never RESPONSIBLE under those circumstances but...(I may get creamed for this) DuaneBidoux Feb 2012 #79
Definitely No on 1 & 2 WhoIsNumberNone Feb 2012 #80
WTH? BAD "poll" question! NashvilleLefty Feb 2012 #81
The questionable wisdom of my mother lapislzi Feb 2012 #89
No. Son of Gob Feb 2012 #82
I vote no. But having said that, obvioulsy a woman should not be getting so drunk that she passes totodeinhere Feb 2012 #83
No! A woman is never at fault if she is raped. EVER. nt Lunacee2012 Feb 2012 #84
No nyet nay nein! Zalatix Feb 2012 #86
No. nt ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #87
NO varelse Feb 2012 #90
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