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LooseWilly

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15. Too bad your wasted time, and now mine, can't be summed up with the word "cogent"

Tue May 7, 2013, 04:15 AM

May 2013

I will refrain from voicing my suspicion of the preface of your "of Arts" suffix.

I see quite clearly now that you are not one inclined toward lucidity... and so, mayhap, I will return the favor... to the extent that it bemuses me and involves no imposition.

As to your "beliefs"... I am quite satisfied that they should remain so esoteric as you have maintained them thus far... though I suspect that they are not so as a result of any sort of mystical understanding, based upon the clarity of your expositions thus far, but rather the result of a neo-epiphanical befuddlement.

A discussion first requires an explication of something to be discussed. You have thus far failed to provide anything coherent to thusly examine.

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Liberal or progressive? [View all] Riftaxe May 2013 OP

Yes. n/t Lil Missy May 2013 #1

I agree...nt Wounded Bear May 2013 #71

You clearly define the terms very differently from how I do BainsBane May 2013 #2

I see it as a progression from the age of enlightment Riftaxe May 2013 #5

Hitler? BainsBane May 2013 #6

Pinochet's also a great example of "pure" capitalism's brutality deutsey May 2013 #48

yes, and Iraq BainsBane May 2013 #66

I don't think you have a firm grasp of the concepts you're talking about. Scootaloo May 2013 #24

+1 Scuba May 2013 #32

Damn! Starry Messenger May 2013 #45

Well put think May 2013 #59

Excellent points! LeftishBrit May 2013 #116

Tell that to the 600 people dead in the Bangladesh factory collapse alarimer May 2013 #74

Capitalism has never slaughtered large numbers of people? LeftishBrit May 2013 #115

"Capitalism has never slaughtered large numbers of people...".....BAHAHAHAAWWAW...clueless. Katashi_itto May 2013 #124

Interesting ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2013 #104

I understand that BainsBane May 2013 #105

both are nebulous, ill-defined labels. Neither has an agreed-upon objective meaning at this point. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #3

well define them Riftaxe May 2013 #9

Locke argued for the dispossession of the Native Americans because they weren't being "productive" LooseWilly May 2013 #20

Interesting question since Locke Riftaxe May 2013 #22

I can't really help you with your, uh, castigation anxiety. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #70

Yeah, what you said... MADem May 2013 #106

Honestly, you had me at the little animated cat gif. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #107

Social Democrat. Here are the wiki definitions of liberal, progressive and social democrat, FWIW. pampango May 2013 #120

Really. Agree. Safetykitten May 2013 #72

Should be, are you a Nixon Liberal or a Rockefeller Progressive. Safetykitten May 2013 #73

Liberal makes me think of classical liberalism... which is called Libertarianism today. LooseWilly May 2013 #4

Well i will admit most of my wasted time ends "of science" Riftaxe May 2013 #11

Too bad your wasted time, and now mine, can't be summed up with the word "cogent" LooseWilly May 2013 #15

Oh fine, i have more then one degree in science and one in arts Riftaxe May 2013 #23

"I asked you to defined." That would be define sir. HangOnKids May 2013 #76

Yes. Bobbie Jo May 2013 #91

I marked other LostOne4Ever May 2013 #7

Liberal. John V. Lindsay liberal. Jim Florio liberal. LBJ liberal graham4anything May 2013 #8

We finally agree on something! Riftaxe May 2013 #12

Agreed. Also let me add-A Harry Chapin liberal.Allard Lowenstein liberal.A Bob Graham liberal. graham4anything May 2013 #19

Division is a bad thing, fyi. JNelson6563 May 2013 #10

Semantics is a lost art Riftaxe May 2013 #13

Radical leftist provocateur Gravitycollapse May 2013 #14

I love your humor (nt) Riftaxe May 2013 #16

Love Me, I'm a Liberal G_j May 2013 #17

This agnostic says Riftaxe May 2013 #18

Bravo! Riftaxe May 2013 #21

'In every American community you have varying shades of political opinion. johnp3907 May 2013 #92

Socialist from 6 generations of socialists on my mother's side. hobbit709 May 2013 #25

what is this drivel? RedstDem May 2013 #26

You are trying to make Progressive sound as radical and opposite of the right wing liberal N proud May 2013 #27

Hardly, they are more radical then liberals Riftaxe May 2013 #28

How about Senator Sherrod Brown? liberal N proud May 2013 #29

"more radical then liberals" AgingAmerican May 2013 #80

Nixon would be a liberal ozone_man May 2013 #100

Bartender, get this man a thesaurus! Android3.14 May 2013 #30

we need to agree on the definitions before you can make any sense of this. DCBob May 2013 #31

Both are nebulous terms with historical baggage, as is "left" Recursion May 2013 #33

Never thought I'd see such a divisive prejudging Original Pos as this one. Bernardo de La Paz May 2013 #34

+1000. n/t winter is coming May 2013 #35

Yup LondonReign2 May 2013 #57

+ 2000. BlueCaliDem May 2013 #67

Other. LWolf May 2013 #36

Well said deutsey May 2013 #51

I think it's more a matter of focus. Liberals focus on people, progressives are more about policy? reformist2 May 2013 #37

liberal because republicans hate liberals and so that must be me dembotoz May 2013 #38

Sorry bud... 99Forever May 2013 #39

+ 1000 djean111 May 2013 #56

Obama: 'I am a progressive' Ichingcarpenter May 2013 #40

anarcho-syndicalist nt PD Turk May 2013 #41

I thought I was the only one. bluedigger May 2013 #54

Me too PD Turk May 2013 #55

Righties (and some centrists) like to say liberals are "LIBERAL with other people's money". progree May 2013 #42

I'm a Democrat first tabbycat31 May 2013 #43

The problem with blue dogs zipplewrath May 2013 #78

Thank you for reminding me of why I am no longer a progressive tabbycat31 May 2013 #83

A country mile between the two zipplewrath May 2013 #85

There is no 'progressive purity movement' AgingAmerican May 2013 #81

Google "Progressive Democrats of America" tabbycat31 May 2013 #84

We used to call them "Dixiecrats" zipplewrath May 2013 #86

I was not alive in the Dixiecrat era tabbycat31 May 2013 #87

But you avoid the question zipplewrath May 2013 #94

you also have to keep this in mind tabbycat31 May 2013 #96

Winning at all costs zipplewrath May 2013 #118

Dixiecrats aren't blue dogs LeftInTX May 2013 #103

They started out as democrats zipplewrath May 2013 #119

They are anti-corporatist Democrats AgingAmerican May 2013 #88

When they go after a member of the Progressive caucus tabbycat31 May 2013 #90

So you're a conservative zipplewrath May 2013 #95

I'm not a conservative tabbycat31 May 2013 #101

I've read it zipplewrath May 2013 #117

Blue dogs are Republicans - and useless AgingAmerican May 2013 #98

Anyone who pushes for anything Democratic is labled "purist" AgingAmerican May 2013 #99

Neither. I am a left libertarian who is registered as a Democrat MadrasT May 2013 #44

I'm not going to pipi_k May 2013 #46

+10000 (nt) LostOne4Ever May 2013 #108

Tree huggin' hippie liberal, thank you. Myrina May 2013 #47

You want me to participate in a poll that begins with a diatribe? No thankyou. pinboy3niner May 2013 #49

You aren't a liberal. You aren't progressive. You're divisive. kenny blankenship May 2013 #50

I don't really know why, but lately I have been using ZombieHorde May 2013 #52

Independent /nt think May 2013 #53

Progressive ChangeUp106 May 2013 #58

wat? nt Demo_Chris May 2013 #60

Socialist Marrah_G May 2013 #61

I feel I'm a liberal... bamacrat May 2013 #62

which is why I reject labeling myself gejohnston May 2013 #63

I always identified as liberal, never labeled my self as progressive but in present context neither TheKentuckian May 2013 #64

Left Libertarian aka Anarchist Tierra_y_Libertad May 2013 #65

Another liberal vs progressive thread and it's just as illuminating as the 100s that came before it. Gidney N Cloyd May 2013 #68

Leftist revolutionary geckosfeet May 2013 #69

Post removed Post removed May 2013 #75

Social Democrat. ForgoTheConsequence May 2013 #77

I went to school at the UW-Madison, and Wisconsin was Progressive closeupready May 2013 #79

Egalitarian. Fearless May 2013 #82

+1 and look at the choices made available to us. We have a binary system of 0/0. n/t Egalitarian Thug May 2013 #89

Major idiot here KamaAina May 2013 #93

Ermahgerd! Yargle bargle! scarletwoman May 2013 #97

Foucauldian anarchist nt Deep13 May 2013 #102

I'm actually a liberal progressive other, but I like to call myself a liberal because Zorra May 2013 #109

I vote for the most progressive candidate available in the primaries. lovemydog May 2013 #110

Socialist burrowowl May 2013 #111

That other thread had some amazing responses. Lots of really thought provoking comments Number23 May 2013 #112

Is it possible to be a little bit of both? AsahinaKimi May 2013 #113

Other; I am left-wing. In the UK, 'liberal' means centrist, and 'progressive' doesn't have any LeftishBrit May 2013 #114

Different people will interpret the two terms in such a way as to better validate their own opinions LanternWaste May 2013 #121

Liberaltarianish Puzzledtraveller May 2013 #122

Liberal Go Vols May 2013 #123