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In reply to the discussion: Liberal or progressive? [View all]Smedley D. Butler quote:
I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.
― Smedley D. Butler, War is a Racket: The Antiwar Classic by America's Most Decorated Soldier
http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/115545.Smedley_D_Butler
Brief bio from Wikipedia:
Smedley Darlington Butler[1] (July 30, 1881 June 21, 1940) was a Major General in the U.S. Marine Corps (the highest rank authorized at that time), an outspoken critic of U.S. military adventurism, and at the time of his death the most decorated Marine in U.S. history. During his 34-year career as a Marine, he participated in military actions in the Philippines, China, in Central America and the Caribbean during the Banana Wars, and France in World War I.
By the end of his career, he had received 16 medals, five for heroism. He is one of 19 men to twice receive the Medal of Honor, one of three to be awarded both the Marine Corps Brevet Medal and the Medal of Honor, and the only marine to be awarded the Brevet Medal and two Medals of Honor, all for separate actions. In his 1935 book War is a Racket, he described the workings of the military-industrial complex and, after retiring from service, became a popular speaker at meetings organized by veterans, pacifists and church groups in the 1930s.[citation needed]
In 1933, he became involved in a controversy known as the Business Plot, when he told a congressional committee that a group of wealthy industrialists were planning a military coup to overthrow Franklin D. Roosevelt. The purported plotters wanted Butler to lead a mass of armed veterans in a march on Washington and then become a dictator. Butler never met with any of the principals, and the individuals supposedly involved all denied the existence of a plot. The media ridiculed the allegations. Biographer Hans Schmidt portrays him as the victim of a small-time trickster.,[2] though Congressional hearings found Butler's claims to be factual.[3] He lectured widely throughout the 1930s.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler
Smedley Darlington Butler[1] (July 30, 1881 June 21, 1940) was a Major General in the U.S. Marine Corps (the highest rank authorized at that time), an outspoken critic of U.S. military adventurism, and at the time of his death the most decorated Marine in U.S. history. During his 34-year career as a Marine, he participated in military actions in the Philippines, China, in Central America and the Caribbean during the Banana Wars, and France in World War I.
By the end of his career, he had received 16 medals, five for heroism. He is one of 19 men to twice receive the Medal of Honor, one of three to be awarded both the Marine Corps Brevet Medal and the Medal of Honor, and the only marine to be awarded the Brevet Medal and two Medals of Honor, all for separate actions. In his 1935 book War is a Racket, he described the workings of the military-industrial complex and, after retiring from service, became a popular speaker at meetings organized by veterans, pacifists and church groups in the 1930s.[citation needed]
In 1933, he became involved in a controversy known as the Business Plot, when he told a congressional committee that a group of wealthy industrialists were planning a military coup to overthrow Franklin D. Roosevelt. The purported plotters wanted Butler to lead a mass of armed veterans in a march on Washington and then become a dictator. Butler never met with any of the principals, and the individuals supposedly involved all denied the existence of a plot. The media ridiculed the allegations. Biographer Hans Schmidt portrays him as the victim of a small-time trickster.,[2] though Congressional hearings found Butler's claims to be factual.[3] He lectured widely throughout the 1930s.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler
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"Capitalism has never slaughtered large numbers of people...".....BAHAHAHAAWWAW...clueless.
Katashi_itto
May 2013
#124
both are nebulous, ill-defined labels. Neither has an agreed-upon objective meaning at this point.
Warren DeMontague
May 2013
#3
Locke argued for the dispossession of the Native Americans because they weren't being "productive"
LooseWilly
May 2013
#20
Social Democrat. Here are the wiki definitions of liberal, progressive and social democrat, FWIW.
pampango
May 2013
#120
Liberal makes me think of classical liberalism... which is called Libertarianism today.
LooseWilly
May 2013
#4
Too bad your wasted time, and now mine, can't be summed up with the word "cogent"
LooseWilly
May 2013
#15
Agreed. Also let me add-A Harry Chapin liberal.Allard Lowenstein liberal.A Bob Graham liberal.
graham4anything
May 2013
#19
You are trying to make Progressive sound as radical and opposite of the right wing
liberal N proud
May 2013
#27
Never thought I'd see such a divisive prejudging Original Pos as this one.
Bernardo de La Paz
May 2013
#34
I think it's more a matter of focus. Liberals focus on people, progressives are more about policy?
reformist2
May 2013
#37
Righties (and some centrists) like to say liberals are "LIBERAL with other people's money".
progree
May 2013
#42
You want me to participate in a poll that begins with a diatribe? No thankyou.
pinboy3niner
May 2013
#49
I always identified as liberal, never labeled my self as progressive but in present context neither
TheKentuckian
May 2013
#64
Another liberal vs progressive thread and it's just as illuminating as the 100s that came before it.
Gidney N Cloyd
May 2013
#68
+1 and look at the choices made available to us. We have a binary system of 0/0. n/t
Egalitarian Thug
May 2013
#89
I'm actually a liberal progressive other, but I like to call myself a liberal because
Zorra
May 2013
#109
That other thread had some amazing responses. Lots of really thought provoking comments
Number23
May 2013
#112
Other; I am left-wing. In the UK, 'liberal' means centrist, and 'progressive' doesn't have any
LeftishBrit
May 2013
#114
Different people will interpret the two terms in such a way as to better validate their own opinions
LanternWaste
May 2013
#121