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In reply to the discussion: Liberal or progressive? [View all]pampango
(24,692 posts)120. Social Democrat. Here are the wiki definitions of liberal, progressive and social democrat, FWIW.
Liberalism (from the Latin liberalis) is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality. Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas such as free and fair elections, civil rights, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free trade and private property.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism
Social democracy is a political ideology that considers itself to be a form of reformist democratic socialism.[1] It advocates for a peaceful, evolutionary transition of the economy to socialism through progressive social reform of capitalism. It asserts that the only acceptable constitutional form of government is representative democracy under the rule of law. It promotes extending democratic decision-making beyond political democracy to include economic democracy to guarantee employees and other economic stakeholders sufficient rights of co-determination. It supports a mixed economy that opposes the excesses of capitalism such as inequality, poverty, and oppression of various groups, while rejecting both a totally free market or a fully planned economy. Common social democratic policies include advocacy of universal social rights to attain universally accessible public services such as education, health care, workers' compensation, and other services including child care and care for the elderly. Social democracy is connected with the trade union labour movement and supports collective bargaining rights for workers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism
Progressivism is a general political philosophy advocating or favoring gradual social, political, and economic reform.[1] Modern Progressivism emerged as part of a more general response to the vast social changes brought by industrialization.
It is left of center in the political spectrum and is to be contrasted with conservatism on the right and the revolutionary left, the former generally resisting changes it advocates and the latter rejecting its gradualism.
Relation to Liberalism
The term "progressive" is today often used in place of "liberal." Although the two are related in some ways, they are separate and distinct political ideologies and should not be used interchangeably. In the U.S. in particular, the term "progressive" tends to have the same value as the European term social democrat, which is scarcely used in American political language.[citation needed]
The reason for this confusion in the U.S. might partly be rooted in the political spectrum being two-dimensional; social liberalism is a tenet of modern progressivism, whereas economic liberalism (and its associated deregulation) is not. According to John Halpin, senior advisor on the staff of the center-left Center for American Progress, "Progressivism is an orientation towards politics. It's not a long-standing ideology like liberalism, but an historically-grounded concept... that accepts the world as dynamic." [13]
Cultural liberalism[clarification needed] is ultimately founded on the belief that the major purpose of the government is to protect rights. Liberals are often called "left-wing", in contrast to "right-wing" conservatives. The progressive school, as a unique branch of contemporary political thought, tends to advocate certain center-left or left-wing views that may conflict with mainstream liberal views, despite the fact that modern liberalism and progressivism may still both support many of the same policies (such as the concept of war as a general last resort).[citation needed]
American progressives tend to advocate progressive taxation and oppose what they describe as the growing and negative influence of large corporations. Progressives are typically in agreement on an international scale with left-liberalism in that they support organized labor and trade unions, they usually wish to introduce a living wage, and they often support the creation of a universal health care system. In the United States, liberals and progressives are often conflated, and in general are the primary voters of the Democratic Party which has a "large tent" policy, combining similar if not congruent ideologies into large voting blocs. Many progressives also support the Green Party or local parties such as the Vermont Progressive Party. In Canada, liberals usually support the national Liberal Party while progressives usually support the New Democratic Party, which traditionally has had provincial electoral success in Manitoba, Saskatchewan, British Columbia, and since the recent federal election, in Quebec.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressivism
Social democracy is a political ideology that considers itself to be a form of reformist democratic socialism.[1] It advocates for a peaceful, evolutionary transition of the economy to socialism through progressive social reform of capitalism. It asserts that the only acceptable constitutional form of government is representative democracy under the rule of law. It promotes extending democratic decision-making beyond political democracy to include economic democracy to guarantee employees and other economic stakeholders sufficient rights of co-determination. It supports a mixed economy that opposes the excesses of capitalism such as inequality, poverty, and oppression of various groups, while rejecting both a totally free market or a fully planned economy. Common social democratic policies include advocacy of universal social rights to attain universally accessible public services such as education, health care, workers' compensation, and other services including child care and care for the elderly. Social democracy is connected with the trade union labour movement and supports collective bargaining rights for workers.
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"Capitalism has never slaughtered large numbers of people...".....BAHAHAHAAWWAW...clueless.
Katashi_itto
May 2013
#124
both are nebulous, ill-defined labels. Neither has an agreed-upon objective meaning at this point.
Warren DeMontague
May 2013
#3
Locke argued for the dispossession of the Native Americans because they weren't being "productive"
LooseWilly
May 2013
#20
Social Democrat. Here are the wiki definitions of liberal, progressive and social democrat, FWIW.
pampango
May 2013
#120
Liberal makes me think of classical liberalism... which is called Libertarianism today.
LooseWilly
May 2013
#4
Too bad your wasted time, and now mine, can't be summed up with the word "cogent"
LooseWilly
May 2013
#15
Agreed. Also let me add-A Harry Chapin liberal.Allard Lowenstein liberal.A Bob Graham liberal.
graham4anything
May 2013
#19
You are trying to make Progressive sound as radical and opposite of the right wing
liberal N proud
May 2013
#27
Never thought I'd see such a divisive prejudging Original Pos as this one.
Bernardo de La Paz
May 2013
#34
I think it's more a matter of focus. Liberals focus on people, progressives are more about policy?
reformist2
May 2013
#37
Righties (and some centrists) like to say liberals are "LIBERAL with other people's money".
progree
May 2013
#42
You want me to participate in a poll that begins with a diatribe? No thankyou.
pinboy3niner
May 2013
#49
I always identified as liberal, never labeled my self as progressive but in present context neither
TheKentuckian
May 2013
#64
Another liberal vs progressive thread and it's just as illuminating as the 100s that came before it.
Gidney N Cloyd
May 2013
#68
+1 and look at the choices made available to us. We have a binary system of 0/0. n/t
Egalitarian Thug
May 2013
#89
I'm actually a liberal progressive other, but I like to call myself a liberal because
Zorra
May 2013
#109
That other thread had some amazing responses. Lots of really thought provoking comments
Number23
May 2013
#112
Other; I am left-wing. In the UK, 'liberal' means centrist, and 'progressive' doesn't have any
LeftishBrit
May 2013
#114
Different people will interpret the two terms in such a way as to better validate their own opinions
LanternWaste
May 2013
#121