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In reply to the discussion: Liberal or progressive? [View all]

pampango

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120. Social Democrat. Here are the wiki definitions of liberal, progressive and social democrat, FWIW.
Wed May 8, 2013, 10:44 AM
May 2013
Liberalism (from the Latin liberalis) is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality. Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas such as free and fair elections, civil rights, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free trade and private property.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism

Progressivism is a general political philosophy advocating or favoring gradual social, political, and economic reform.[1] Modern Progressivism emerged as part of a more general response to the vast social changes brought by industrialization.

It is left of center in the political spectrum and is to be contrasted with conservatism on the right and the revolutionary left, the former generally resisting changes it advocates and the latter rejecting its gradualism.

Relation to Liberalism

The term "progressive" is today often used in place of "liberal." Although the two are related in some ways, they are separate and distinct political ideologies and should not be used interchangeably. In the U.S. in particular, the term "progressive" tends to have the same value as the European term social democrat, which is scarcely used in American political language.[citation needed]

The reason for this confusion in the U.S. might partly be rooted in the political spectrum being two-dimensional; social liberalism is a tenet of modern progressivism, whereas economic liberalism (and its associated deregulation) is not. According to John Halpin, senior advisor on the staff of the center-left Center for American Progress, "Progressivism is an orientation towards politics. It's not a long-standing ideology like liberalism, but an historically-grounded concept... that accepts the world as dynamic." [13]

Cultural liberalism[clarification needed] is ultimately founded on the belief that the major purpose of the government is to protect rights. Liberals are often called "left-wing", in contrast to "right-wing" conservatives. The progressive school, as a unique branch of contemporary political thought, tends to advocate certain center-left or left-wing views that may conflict with mainstream liberal views, despite the fact that modern liberalism and progressivism may still both support many of the same policies (such as the concept of war as a general last resort).[citation needed]

American progressives tend to advocate progressive taxation and oppose what they describe as the growing and negative influence of large corporations. Progressives are typically in agreement on an international scale with left-liberalism in that they support organized labor and trade unions, they usually wish to introduce a living wage, and they often support the creation of a universal health care system. In the United States, liberals and progressives are often conflated, and in general are the primary voters of the Democratic Party which has a "large tent" policy, combining similar if not congruent ideologies into large voting blocs. Many progressives also support the Green Party or local parties such as the Vermont Progressive Party. In Canada, liberals usually support the national Liberal Party while progressives usually support the New Democratic Party, which traditionally has had provincial electoral success in Manitoba, Saskatchewan, British Columbia, and since the recent federal election, in Quebec.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressivism

Social democracy is a political ideology that considers itself to be a form of reformist democratic socialism.[1] It advocates for a peaceful, evolutionary transition of the economy to socialism through progressive social reform of capitalism. It asserts that the only acceptable constitutional form of government is representative democracy under the rule of law. It promotes extending democratic decision-making beyond political democracy to include economic democracy to guarantee employees and other economic stakeholders sufficient rights of co-determination. It supports a mixed economy that opposes the excesses of capitalism such as inequality, poverty, and oppression of various groups, while rejecting both a totally free market or a fully planned economy. Common social democratic policies include advocacy of universal social rights to attain universally accessible public services such as education, health care, workers' compensation, and other services including child care and care for the elderly. Social democracy is connected with the trade union labour movement and supports collective bargaining rights for workers.

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Liberal or progressive? [View all] Riftaxe May 2013 OP
Yes. n/t Lil Missy May 2013 #1
I agree...nt Wounded Bear May 2013 #71
You clearly define the terms very differently from how I do BainsBane May 2013 #2
I see it as a progression from the age of enlightment Riftaxe May 2013 #5
Hitler? BainsBane May 2013 #6
Pinochet's also a great example of "pure" capitalism's brutality deutsey May 2013 #48
yes, and Iraq BainsBane May 2013 #66
I don't think you have a firm grasp of the concepts you're talking about. Scootaloo May 2013 #24
+1 Scuba May 2013 #32
Damn! Starry Messenger May 2013 #45
Well put think May 2013 #59
Excellent points! LeftishBrit May 2013 #116
Tell that to the 600 people dead in the Bangladesh factory collapse alarimer May 2013 #74
Capitalism has never slaughtered large numbers of people? LeftishBrit May 2013 #115
"Capitalism has never slaughtered large numbers of people...".....BAHAHAHAAWWAW...clueless. Katashi_itto May 2013 #124
Interesting ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2013 #104
I understand that BainsBane May 2013 #105
both are nebulous, ill-defined labels. Neither has an agreed-upon objective meaning at this point. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #3
well define them Riftaxe May 2013 #9
Locke argued for the dispossession of the Native Americans because they weren't being "productive" LooseWilly May 2013 #20
Interesting question since Locke Riftaxe May 2013 #22
I can't really help you with your, uh, castigation anxiety. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #70
Yeah, what you said... MADem May 2013 #106
Honestly, you had me at the little animated cat gif. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #107
Social Democrat. Here are the wiki definitions of liberal, progressive and social democrat, FWIW. pampango May 2013 #120
Really. Agree. Safetykitten May 2013 #72
Should be, are you a Nixon Liberal or a Rockefeller Progressive. Safetykitten May 2013 #73
Liberal makes me think of classical liberalism... which is called Libertarianism today. LooseWilly May 2013 #4
Well i will admit most of my wasted time ends "of science" Riftaxe May 2013 #11
Too bad your wasted time, and now mine, can't be summed up with the word "cogent" LooseWilly May 2013 #15
Oh fine, i have more then one degree in science and one in arts Riftaxe May 2013 #23
"I asked you to defined." That would be define sir. HangOnKids May 2013 #76
Yes. Bobbie Jo May 2013 #91
I marked other LostOne4Ever May 2013 #7
Liberal. John V. Lindsay liberal. Jim Florio liberal. LBJ liberal graham4anything May 2013 #8
We finally agree on something! Riftaxe May 2013 #12
Agreed. Also let me add-A Harry Chapin liberal.Allard Lowenstein liberal.A Bob Graham liberal. graham4anything May 2013 #19
Division is a bad thing, fyi. JNelson6563 May 2013 #10
Semantics is a lost art Riftaxe May 2013 #13
Radical leftist provocateur Gravitycollapse May 2013 #14
I love your humor (nt) Riftaxe May 2013 #16
Love Me, I'm a Liberal G_j May 2013 #17
This agnostic says Riftaxe May 2013 #18
Bravo! Riftaxe May 2013 #21
'In every American community you have varying shades of political opinion. johnp3907 May 2013 #92
Socialist from 6 generations of socialists on my mother's side. hobbit709 May 2013 #25
what is this drivel? RedstDem May 2013 #26
You are trying to make Progressive sound as radical and opposite of the right wing liberal N proud May 2013 #27
Hardly, they are more radical then liberals Riftaxe May 2013 #28
How about Senator Sherrod Brown? liberal N proud May 2013 #29
"more radical then liberals" AgingAmerican May 2013 #80
Nixon would be a liberal ozone_man May 2013 #100
Bartender, get this man a thesaurus! Android3.14 May 2013 #30
we need to agree on the definitions before you can make any sense of this. DCBob May 2013 #31
Both are nebulous terms with historical baggage, as is "left" Recursion May 2013 #33
Never thought I'd see such a divisive prejudging Original Pos as this one. Bernardo de La Paz May 2013 #34
+1000. n/t winter is coming May 2013 #35
Yup LondonReign2 May 2013 #57
+ 2000. BlueCaliDem May 2013 #67
Other. LWolf May 2013 #36
Well said deutsey May 2013 #51
I think it's more a matter of focus. Liberals focus on people, progressives are more about policy? reformist2 May 2013 #37
liberal because republicans hate liberals and so that must be me dembotoz May 2013 #38
Sorry bud... 99Forever May 2013 #39
+ 1000 djean111 May 2013 #56
Obama: 'I am a progressive' Ichingcarpenter May 2013 #40
anarcho-syndicalist nt PD Turk May 2013 #41
I thought I was the only one. bluedigger May 2013 #54
Me too PD Turk May 2013 #55
Righties (and some centrists) like to say liberals are "LIBERAL with other people's money". progree May 2013 #42
I'm a Democrat first tabbycat31 May 2013 #43
The problem with blue dogs zipplewrath May 2013 #78
Thank you for reminding me of why I am no longer a progressive tabbycat31 May 2013 #83
A country mile between the two zipplewrath May 2013 #85
There is no 'progressive purity movement' AgingAmerican May 2013 #81
Google "Progressive Democrats of America" tabbycat31 May 2013 #84
We used to call them "Dixiecrats" zipplewrath May 2013 #86
I was not alive in the Dixiecrat era tabbycat31 May 2013 #87
But you avoid the question zipplewrath May 2013 #94
you also have to keep this in mind tabbycat31 May 2013 #96
Winning at all costs zipplewrath May 2013 #118
Dixiecrats aren't blue dogs LeftInTX May 2013 #103
They started out as democrats zipplewrath May 2013 #119
They are anti-corporatist Democrats AgingAmerican May 2013 #88
When they go after a member of the Progressive caucus tabbycat31 May 2013 #90
So you're a conservative zipplewrath May 2013 #95
I'm not a conservative tabbycat31 May 2013 #101
I've read it zipplewrath May 2013 #117
Blue dogs are Republicans - and useless AgingAmerican May 2013 #98
Anyone who pushes for anything Democratic is labled "purist" AgingAmerican May 2013 #99
Neither. I am a left libertarian who is registered as a Democrat MadrasT May 2013 #44
I'm not going to pipi_k May 2013 #46
+10000 (nt) LostOne4Ever May 2013 #108
Tree huggin' hippie liberal, thank you. Myrina May 2013 #47
You want me to participate in a poll that begins with a diatribe? No thankyou. pinboy3niner May 2013 #49
You aren't a liberal. You aren't progressive. You're divisive. kenny blankenship May 2013 #50
I don't really know why, but lately I have been using ZombieHorde May 2013 #52
Independent /nt think May 2013 #53
Progressive ChangeUp106 May 2013 #58
wat? nt Demo_Chris May 2013 #60
Socialist Marrah_G May 2013 #61
I feel I'm a liberal... bamacrat May 2013 #62
which is why I reject labeling myself gejohnston May 2013 #63
I always identified as liberal, never labeled my self as progressive but in present context neither TheKentuckian May 2013 #64
Left Libertarian aka Anarchist Tierra_y_Libertad May 2013 #65
Another liberal vs progressive thread and it's just as illuminating as the 100s that came before it. Gidney N Cloyd May 2013 #68
Leftist revolutionary geckosfeet May 2013 #69
Post removed Post removed May 2013 #75
Social Democrat. ForgoTheConsequence May 2013 #77
I went to school at the UW-Madison, and Wisconsin was Progressive closeupready May 2013 #79
Egalitarian. Fearless May 2013 #82
+1 and look at the choices made available to us. We have a binary system of 0/0. n/t Egalitarian Thug May 2013 #89
Major idiot here KamaAina May 2013 #93
Ermahgerd! Yargle bargle! scarletwoman May 2013 #97
Foucauldian anarchist nt Deep13 May 2013 #102
I'm actually a liberal progressive other, but I like to call myself a liberal because Zorra May 2013 #109
I vote for the most progressive candidate available in the primaries. lovemydog May 2013 #110
Socialist burrowowl May 2013 #111
That other thread had some amazing responses. Lots of really thought provoking comments Number23 May 2013 #112
Is it possible to be a little bit of both? AsahinaKimi May 2013 #113
Other; I am left-wing. In the UK, 'liberal' means centrist, and 'progressive' doesn't have any LeftishBrit May 2013 #114
Different people will interpret the two terms in such a way as to better validate their own opinions LanternWaste May 2013 #121
Liberaltarianish Puzzledtraveller May 2013 #122
Liberal Go Vols May 2013 #123
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