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In reply to the discussion: (Sweden) Court slashes sentence in 'honour killing' case (from 8 yrs to 4) [View all]LostOne4Ever
(9,296 posts)53. How is "he" a victim?
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His murdered sister is the victim, of course, but the defendant is a victim too.
How in any way, is he a victim too? I agree we should not dehumanize, but I can see no way in which anyone could call him a "victim." He CHOSE to buy into his cultures conditioning. The girl, on the other hand, did not CHOOSE to die. Ultimately, is not the brother is responsible for his actions? Or does this mean we are going to start excusing people because of their religion/culture?
He murdered his sister. Even if there is no person alive to get justice for, we can not let such an action go unpunished? Letting him go would be society saying her life had no value.
One thing I think your post highlights is that we as a society don't have a coherent purpose behind our justice system. Is it about rehabilitation? Punishment? Justice? Are we trying to send a message? Is it about Deterrence/Crime prevention? Protecting society? Or a little from all the columns?
If its about rehabilitation is 4 years enough time? This adolescent has been conditioned by his culture for almost 17 years. Further, how can we be sure if he is just faking remorse? What if he fools his doctors into thinking he has been rehabilitated and only spends a short time in prison?
If its about punishment/justice then what does this punishment say about the value of that girl's life? Or the life of anyone in a similar situation? The punishment does not come close to the crime. I can only imagine the horror, pain and sorrow she felt as she was stabbed 100 times by her own brother. How can we call 4 years a proper punishment for that.
If its about the message what message does this send? That a young girls life is only worth a few years in prison? That if you belong to a certain religion/culture you wont pay the same price? That if you are a certain age you can get away with murder? That we don't care about girls in her position?
If its about deterrence then what is being deterred? If you are under a certain age you should go commit an honor killing you will only spend a few years in prison? Who is going to be deterred by this? If its about crime prevention or protecting society then wouldn't keeping him locked up be more likely to protect other family members or girls than allowing him to go free?
Even if we assume that the purpose of the justice system is all of them, I can't see how in anyway this punishment fits the crime.
Im against the death penalty, and feel that many times we are being too hard on people with jail terms, but this time I feel he should have gotten a harder punishment than what he got.
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(Sweden) Court slashes sentence in 'honour killing' case (from 8 yrs to 4) [View all]
The Straight Story
May 2013
OP
He stabbed his sister a hundred times. By definition, that makes him a violent, sick
cali
May 2013
#56
Actually, no...the "idea" of prison is not to produce a less violent society.
Honeycombe8
May 2013
#50
From the article, it seems that the courts ruling was based on age and nothing else.
Recovered Repug
May 2013
#15
I believe it's wrong not to think some cultures are superior to others.
Donald Ian Rankin
May 2013
#26
Our 'Christian Culture' is not much different to that of other fundie cultures. We, eg, are the only
sabrina 1
May 2013
#66
I would imagine cruelty to farm animals would draw a harsher sentence., nt
geek tragedy
May 2013
#44