General Discussion

Mira

(22,685 posts)

87. OKAY then. It was flowery, I agree.

Wed Feb 8, 2012, 12:21 AM

Feb 2012

Is that what they use in Romance novels? I've read Lady Chatterley but I don't remember, and it may not even qualify.

Honestly, being her same age or thereabouts, I can so easily imagine all of it.
Then, and now.
It explains to ME why she went along with it then. And it explains to me why she fessed up to it now (after the buzz was out for years about her anyway).
It also explains to me why she made it a bit flowery.

Because: She was so young. She was so shocked. She was virginal, and not in a position to make huge waves.
No waves, really. She was being sexually harassed while being casually seduced.
Besides, he was attractive - plus all the other shocking things that went on in her 19 year old mind when it happened.

Over time she has figured out that this was not that cool a thing to do with a married man.

The flowery words are making her feel a bit better because they take away some of the sting.

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

94 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

Book details JFK affair with White House teen intern [View all] oberliner Feb 2012 OP

Here's a photo of her at the time: MineralMan Feb 2012 #1

This message was self-deleted by its author Ian David Feb 2012 #6

No comment. -10 MineralMan Feb 2012 #14

She was a debutante. kskiska Feb 2012 #21

I also attended Dorian Gray Feb 2012 #40

I cannot believe this post is still here obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #42

You're right. I'll self-delete. Sorry. n/t Ian David Feb 2012 #46

Nose and Eyes and glance remind me of Grace Kelly. Mira Feb 2012 #81

Obviously I haven't read the entire account but might we remain skeptical in fairness? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #2

We could remain skeptical, but this has the ring of truth to it. MineralMan Feb 2012 #3

Can this really be called a consenual affair? oberliner Feb 2012 #5

I don't know. She would have been 19 at the time. MineralMan Feb 2012 #11

As oberliner noted the description does not sound consensual. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #16

Without reading her account, I couldn't say. MineralMan Feb 2012 #18

How is it not consensual??! DutchLiberal Feb 2012 #34

Post removed Post removed Feb 2012 #38

Position of authority - fear of consequences oberliner Feb 2012 #74

I'm not opposed to teacher-student relationships either... DutchLiberal Feb 2012 #77

I was going to explain some of this to you... but your last sentence shows me Mira Feb 2012 #82

What is it? Shocked by the fact that men and women can enjoy sex? DutchLiberal Feb 2012 #88

What I said was neither nasty nor an accusation Mira Feb 2012 #89

Thank you. A one-sided account of something that happened half a century ago sabrina 1 Feb 2012 #67

Being "in shock" doesn't denote a consensual sexual encounter obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #43

I could have described myself as being "in shock" during and after my first sexual encounter. leeroysphitz Feb 2012 #49

Shock is what your system does when it is theatened in some way. n/t EFerrari Feb 2012 #64

Too long ago and too little information to make a judgment on this MineralMan Feb 2012 #52

That's how I see it as well. TBF Feb 2012 #56

Not necessarily, and I speak from Surya Gayatri Feb 2012 #53

A groupie who has sex with a rockstar may be "in shock" too... DutchLiberal Feb 2012 #59

Bull cookies. aquart Feb 2012 #60

Can sex between 2 people of such uneven power really be 'consentual.' ehrnst Feb 2012 #91

Which part has a "ring of truth"? girl gone mad Feb 2012 #62

Shrug. MineralMan Feb 2012 #63

If they aren't true, then great harm is being done. girl gone mad Feb 2012 #76

Lol, I was wondering that also. I'd like to a lot more about this woman before giving sabrina 1 Feb 2012 #68

The man had a severe chronic back injury FarPoint Feb 2012 #7

Thanks for the heart FarPoint Feb 2012 #13

How do you know he wasn't horny?? Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2012 #65

The hypothesis I heard was that the steroids he took made him MORE horny, not less. yellowcanine Feb 2012 #71

She's claiming that the long shadow of the affair was responsible virgogal Feb 2012 #4

I would agree. I think we need to remember that this was an era of "free sex" and it was really jwirr Feb 2012 #24

"Anything goes" in 1962? wtmusic Feb 2012 #25

Personal experience and that of friend, fellow students and neighbors. I was there. jwirr Feb 2012 #26

I was there too wtmusic Feb 2012 #27

I was there in 1962 also, but I don't remember free love kicking in for a few years after that. Arkansas Granny Feb 2012 #61

In my community they did not get contraception. They got pregnant and consequently married and jwirr Feb 2012 #78

I had the same response but I think it is in reference to a later time when the marriage broke up. yellowcanine Feb 2012 #70

That is certainly not true obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #44

Written like a Harlequin romance novel. n/t Blue_In_AK Feb 2012 #8

Actually, no, it's not Missy Vixen Feb 2012 #36

You made me laugh.. Fumesucker Feb 2012 #54

You made me laugh, too. Blue_In_AK Feb 2012 #58

I have never read one of those, and I have a bit of trouble with your casual sentence. Mira Feb 2012 #84

I didn't intend to imply that she was lying, Blue_In_AK Feb 2012 #85

OKAY then. It was flowery, I agree. Mira Feb 2012 #87

Sad if true. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #9

And sadder if false. (n/t) Iggo Feb 2012 #15

1000% n/t sabrina 1 Feb 2012 #69

What is her motive for coming forward with this now? Peregrine Took Feb 2012 #10

Sell books. (n/t) Iggo Feb 2012 #19

Bingo! Surya Gayatri Feb 2012 #55

By the way, this book is not the first time this has MineralMan Feb 2012 #12

I really don't care how true her version of events is or isn't. What sinkingfeeling Feb 2012 #17

Couldn't agree more. From what I have read she claims they had an affair, she was sabrina 1 Feb 2012 #83

Why did she wait so long to "reveal" this? JitterbugPerfume Feb 2012 #20

Amen to that. FIFTY years later? Please. CurtEastPoint Feb 2012 #22

Sounds like just another installment of right wing tabloid BS about the Kennedys. meanit Feb 2012 #23

welcome to DU unionworks Feb 2012 #28

Thanks for the welcome meanit Feb 2012 #94

Good catch! flamingdem Feb 2012 #41

Well known that JFK was a panty chaser who would screw any attractive woman that let him. bluestate10 Feb 2012 #29

No reason not to believe it--she isn't really all that new--knowledge of her has book_worm Feb 2012 #30

So? SaintPete Feb 2012 #31

That can be said about a lot of posts here oberliner Feb 2012 #32

you're absolutely right, my bad SaintPete Feb 2012 #33

No problem oberliner Feb 2012 #39

I imagine some may reflect. Others may discuss. And still others may do further research. LanternWaste Feb 2012 #50

Nice try, I've already made peace with the OP SaintPete Feb 2012 #57

JFK was a well known serial adulterer, so obviously this is very believable. Nye Bevan Feb 2012 #35

For Pete's sake, the man's been dead for 50 years. Fla Dem Feb 2012 #37

guess what? people in positions of power (often men) use that position for sex RainDog Feb 2012 #45

It bothers me if true overall. Broderick Feb 2012 #47

This woman is clearly lying here and trying to profit from besmirching a great man. leeroysphitz Feb 2012 #48

Oh, come on. It's well-known JFK was a horndog Arugula Latte Feb 2012 #51

+1. If this was Jimmy Carter, I would be sceptical. Nye Bevan Feb 2012 #90

Please............. Beacool Feb 2012 #93

It's kinda Romance Novelly, isn't it? graywarrior Feb 2012 #66

The president! Having sex with women within these very walls.... deutsey Feb 2012 #72

JFK affair tell-all books lost their scandal shock, what, 20+ years ago?? Blue_Tires Feb 2012 #73

Character assassination of an assassinated President fifty years after a conspiracy murdered him? T S Justly Feb 2012 #75

The Posthumous Assassination of JFK Octafish Feb 2012 #79

JFK wasn't the first president to be a "womanizer" Raine Feb 2012 #80

Is this a surprise? Beacool Feb 2012 #86

This message was self-deleted by its author Obamanaut Feb 2012 #92