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thucythucy

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64. So now, not only do I lack your alleged rural BS detector,
Fri May 10, 2013, 02:07 PM
May 2013

but I also don't understand "human nature"? Is this another one of those special gifts only "rural" voters possess? Because, you know, there just aren't that many people in New York, LA, Boston, Chicago, Atlanta, to help with our understanding?

I think your analysis of what constitutes a winning vs. a losing political argument is shallow, to say the least. Abortion rights were granted by a US Supreme Court decision in the early 1970s, and have been whittled away ever since, often by rural constituencies who don't seem, despite their vaunted BS detector and your analysis of human nature, to understand that anti-choice means anti-rights. If you doubt this, ask yourself, how many health centers now offer abortions in Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, South Dakota, vs. how many offer them New York, Massachusetts, or California? Your analysis doesn't hold water, not a bit of it.

And as someone quite interested in women's health issues, I can tell you that fight is far from "won." Again, how easy is it, do you think, for a poor woman in Mississippi to get an abortion if and when she needs one? The "right to choose" is being yanked away from us, even as we speak, and representatives of rural constituencies are often at the forefront of the anti-choice movement. And so rural voters seem to have no problem taking rights away, as long as we're talking women's rights, or the rights of people in poverty, or GLBT rights.

In fact, the anti-marriage equality sentiment (and law) is still strongest in precisely those places where pro-gun safety regulations are least popular. How does that factor into your freedom vs. taking stuff away paradigm? It seems to me the picture in the rural south is: gun rights are sacred, but women's rights, and GLBT rights, not so much.

That said, the last polls I saw showed the overwhelming majority of Americans--like say, 90%--support universal background checks. So let's start with that. Or is that another issue progressive and urban Democrats need to back away from, for fear of offending the (ever shrinking) southern rural white male voter?

That Senator Feinstein is a bogy for rural voters isn't surprising. As I recall, Speaker Pelosi served that function before her.

If progressives were to back down every time the right tries to demonize a Democrat, we'd be left with no agenda at all.

And as a progressive Democrat, that can't possibly be what you want, can it?

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I'm sure... TnDem May 2013 #1
Gun control almost certainly cost Gore Tennessee in the 2000 election Lurks Often May 2013 #2
We also see what happens when those who should not be having guns uses them incorrectly. Thinkingabout May 2013 #5
Recent elections TnDem May 2013 #14
Can you point to one mass murder event where 20 young children was killed in the US? Thinkingabout May 2013 #21
Listen man TnDem May 2013 #31
surely responsible gun measures to reduce accidents and massacres is a good thing samsingh May 2013 #41
Maybe TnDem May 2013 #43
Same in the rural parts of Nevada, premium May 2013 #46
Don't think opinions made by me is northeastern democrats, as for me I am a southern Thinkingabout May 2013 #74
The NRA opposed it vigorously because it was legislation regarding guns Lordquinton May 2013 #80
polls in Alaska, Arizona, Nevada, and Ohio find serious backlash against the 5 Senators who voted... LanternWaste May 2013 #53
Are you proud of the fact that gun control cost Gore Tennessee tavalon May 2013 #65
And they may not be a thing of the past. Lurks Often May 2013 #72
Transparent. And weak. Robb May 2013 #11
Weak? Will you apologize to me publicly? TnDem May 2013 #17
Stamp your feet some more, it's rather convincing. Robb May 2013 #18
Cute when their billh58 May 2013 #22
Losing? TnDem May 2013 #24
Be sure and help billh58 May 2013 #26
Wrong TnDem May 2013 #27
"Rural voters have a sixth-sense about media bullshitters..." thucythucy May 2013 #39
Look TnDem May 2013 #45
Uh Oh - big scary DiFI wants a ban on assault weapons!?! In other news... jmg257 May 2013 #63
So now, not only do I lack your alleged rural BS detector, thucythucy May 2013 #64
word up frylock May 2013 #50
True colors are showing. And they are of the longest wavelengths. 2ndAmForComputers May 2013 #76
I live in FL, home to a great many teabagger and Christian fundie types. lark May 2013 #60
no, you are wrong. hopemountain May 2013 #78
"we" 2ndAmForComputers May 2013 #75
OK TnDem May 2013 #23
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And yet another mitzvah tavalon May 2013 #66
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2013/05/public-opinion-nra/64854/ wilsonbooks May 2013 #30
No. lapislzi May 2013 #48
So a 90% approval rate for background checks is irrelevant? lark May 2013 #58
Yea, lets not do anything. jonthebru May 2013 #79
You gotta know Gabby to know she means every word of this. DFW May 2013 #3
+1 shireen May 2013 #15
As am I, and billh58 May 2013 #19
how do i donate to her PAC? samsingh May 2013 #42
Here: DreamGypsy May 2013 #52
thanks samsingh May 2013 #62
Gabby Giffords TnDem May 2013 #20
Who appointed you billh58 May 2013 #25
I am not an NRA member TnDem May 2013 #29
I guess that you don't billh58 May 2013 #33
If these shooters had mental health issues why would you want them to purchase weapons? Thinkingabout May 2013 #32
TN, you just made my point DFW May 2013 #34
No. lapislzi May 2013 #49
You've underlined the very problem in your own post: Blue_Tires May 2013 #61
Yeah, she was a strong person before the shooting, during and after tavalon May 2013 #69
This is a worthwhile cause, I hope we cqn make some accomplishments in the next Thinkingabout May 2013 #4
OK then..... TnDem May 2013 #8
Do you really seriously think Ayotte voted for what her constituents wanted? Then try to figure out Thinkingabout May 2013 #9
You gotta be kidding... TnDem May 2013 #10
Colorado. Robb May 2013 #12
Colorado? TnDem May 2013 #16
This post is so disconnected from reality, I'm increasingly convinced Robb May 2013 #28
The San Francisco of the west? DFW May 2013 #36
hahaha BURN!! Send that troll back under his bridge to sulk! Erose999 May 2013 #44
I mean, really? DFW May 2013 #47
Personally I always thought Boston to be thucythucy May 2013 #71
You speak the uncomfortable truth and most here don't want to hear it...but it is the truth newmember May 2013 #13
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She voted that way because that's what Rs do Lordquinton May 2013 #82
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Five times. lapislzi May 2013 #51
How many times have they tried to repeal the ACA? Lordquinton May 2013 #81
NRA puppets on strings: look at the vertical lines. nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2013 #38
the nra has no shame samsingh May 2013 #40
Fuck the NRA Zoeisright May 2013 #59
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+10.000 smirkymonkey May 2013 #73
Go Gabby!... SidDithers May 2013 #77
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