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freedom fighter jh

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19. Proceed with caution
Fri May 10, 2013, 05:21 PM
May 2013

I believe our society as a whole, and many of its young adult members, would be better off with higher ed paid for by the government. But this would mean more taxes paid, and that could be a real burden on folks who are barely making it as it is. It could mean the difference between eating decently and not. The solution would be to make sure that any increased government spending goes hand in hand with tax code provisions that ensure that the poor aren't giving up essentials.

I believe health care (an example you did not give) should be single payer. But still I see moral issues with that. There are people who believe abortion really means the taking of a life; knowing their taxes fund abortion might make them feel the way I feel about my taxes supporting war. I don't know the solution; I know only that health care is priced out of reach for too many people and countries with single payer seem to do much better.

Paid maternity leave could, for a child beyond the second, translate to support for population growth. Some folks believe passionately that the planet is overpopulated and that overpopulation will mean the demise of the human race. Those people won't feel great about supporting folks bringing more babies into the world.

There is a grain of truth in the right wing mantra that too much government limits freedom. The debate, of course, is about how much is too much. How much is the right amount can be stretched so that we can get the benefits of sharing, as long as every decision is made with careful thought about unintended consequences, especially about cutting into anyone's rights. I believe socialism (which is what these proposals -- and Bernie -- are about, after all) can be a good thing, but it must be done with a great deal of caution and respect for the rights of others.

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who covers it? galileoreloaded May 2013 #1
What are you talking about? leftstreet May 2013 #3
re-read the op?? nt galileoreloaded May 2013 #4
OP makes sense. Your question doesn't n/t leftstreet May 2013 #5
The People of Denmark "cover it", bvar22 May 2013 #6
thats great if the Danes *actually* cover it galileoreloaded May 2013 #7
Perhaps you should start your own thread, enlightenment May 2013 #8
the current view of macro-economics held by galileoreloaded May 2013 #9
One day, enlightenment May 2013 #10
oh, it made sense, but only through a sufficient enough worldview galileoreloaded May 2013 #11
I've heard therapy enlightenment May 2013 #13
lol. i've heard reading and reading comprehension is fundamental. its a draw. galileoreloaded May 2013 #15
It's troublesome that you're turning mental health problems into insults. Neoma May 2013 #60
I understand you perfectly. 2ndAmForComputers May 2013 #40
i wish socialism would take hold! galileoreloaded May 2013 #42
I get it dreamnightwind May 2013 #46
it's the fallacy that"its covered" and it isn't at all galileoreloaded May 2013 #47
Well, I disagree dreamnightwind May 2013 #49
At this point, bvar22 May 2013 #12
read it again..... galileoreloaded May 2013 #14
But the OP is in the present tense....today, here, NOW....not the past, bvar22 May 2013 #21
the point IS that it isnt real. galileoreloaded May 2013 #23
What possible bearing does that have on the OP? bvar22 May 2013 #27
"resources are, by definition a zero sum game" 2ndAmForComputers May 2013 #41
how cute, my first stalker! galileoreloaded May 2013 #43
I can't help if I browse through the latest threads and all^H^H^H most bullshit has the same byline. 2ndAmForComputers May 2013 #44
aw shucks! nt galileoreloaded May 2013 #45
And explain where all the exploited wealth went too zeemike May 2013 #24
for an idea, look at 1950-70 rustbelt. galileoreloaded May 2013 #28
Bullshit...all that exploited wealth went to the top. zeemike May 2013 #30
start with James Burke's "connections". galileoreloaded May 2013 #31
All that slave labor wealth went to the slave owners at the top. zeemike May 2013 #50
you misunderstand. you are the slave, but i don't blame you. nt galileoreloaded May 2013 #52
Second your request nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #59
I agree with post 8. nm rhett o rick May 2013 #54
DURec leftstreet May 2013 #2
The pursuit of happiness has become an empty and bitter phrase. I recall when junior colleges byeya May 2013 #16
Indeed it has...as well as "provide for the general welfare" zeemike May 2013 #22
it was never sustainable. galileoreloaded May 2013 #32
Yes it is; go back to taxing the rich the way they should be taxed. alarimer May 2013 #36
Never sustainable when your expectations are zeemike May 2013 #51
I disagree. Lordquinton May 2013 #61
So do I. On our block we had fathers who were IBEW, UAW, Teamster, Carpenters Union, Steelworkers byeya May 2013 #34
K&R For continuing to rage against "teh stupid" that has come to define our nation. n/t Egalitarian Thug May 2013 #17
Thanks for the info Bvar. He seems to be a lonely voice these days when it comes to representing sabrina 1 May 2013 #18
Proceed with caution freedom fighter jh May 2013 #19
Yes. Because senior citizens are so 'un-free' leftstreet May 2013 #25
I'm guessing you didn't read my whole comment. freedom fighter jh May 2013 #33
I read the part where you said you had moral problems with single payer. A very silly position. byeya May 2013 #37
I said there were issues. I also said I support it in the end. freedom fighter jh May 2013 #39
I have relatives in Denmark. emmadoggy May 2013 #20
Exactly, the USA is a hell hole filled with ignoramuses. xtraxritical May 2013 #26
I love me some Bernie Sanders. 99Forever May 2013 #29
Unfortunately there are many in this country who are too stupid to elect him. nt Jasana May 2013 #35
Including couple on this thread who can't seem to see the forest for the trees. alarimer May 2013 #38
I agree, but we cant fix this mess without them. We need to educate them. That's our rhett o rick May 2013 #55
+1,000,000,000 dreamnightwind May 2013 #48
I currently have a broken shoulder tavalon May 2013 #53
Kick and Rec for Sen Sanders, the country's best Democrat. rhett o rick May 2013 #56
I was born in Europe gopiscrap May 2013 #57
Miust have been quite a shock. We squander copious amounts of money on military warte and allow byeya May 2013 #58
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